Children are harmed when raised into religion. (Page 3)

orkanen: Still nothing but new assertions from Zanjan, nothing to back up her former claims. Her posts are thus deleted.

orkanen: Chronology, my take on conspiracy theorists are that they don't have enough knowledge on the subject at hand, to differ between fact and wishful thinking, so I usually leave them be. They usually can't be reasoned with.

I'm not sure where you got the condemned part from, there's a difference between confusing between fantasy and reality, and being condemned for the rest of their lives. There are those, raised into religion, who have no problems with their faiths, there are those who do, there are even those who eventually leave their faith, either in favour of other faiths, or for no faith at all.

chayi: Children are harmed when they deny religion

ghostgeek: Who by Chayi?

chayi: By their own

davesdatahut: The study noted in this thread is pretty much stating the obvious. Religion not only pollutes the minds of children, it poisons just about everything it touches.
It would be nice if people used the stories in the various bibles the way they were intended, as allegorical lessons in how to live tolerant and peaceful lives. But inevitably, as history has shown us, people too often take the literally, or too seriously, twisting them and using them to foment division and hatred. The evidence is all around us, has been around us for hundreds of years, and shows no signs of abating.
PS - Ork, why are you deleting Zanjan's ravings? They provide some of the best entertainment on Wireclub!

orkanen: Chayi, research is done, showing children are harmed when exposed to religion, it is found in the study I linked to in the very first post. Why do you assert the opposite with nothing to back you up? Perhaps you should try reading it first.

I deleted Zanjan's ramblings in an effort to make her back up her claims, if she wishes to participate in this thread. I wrote on the previous page that I'd do so if she continued asserting without backing up two major claims she made. Also notice, I only deleted her posts following, not prior to my statement.

davesdatahut: Yes, I took note of the deletion timing on Zanjan's posts. It's just that her stuff is so off the wall you just gotta read it, ! It's like smokestack that never stops polluting.

orkanen: I have no idea what drives her, would be fun to know though, how she figures, if she has equal standards on everything she deals with. To my knowledge, it's only when religion is involved, that she asserts her trooth, over and beyond honesty. Outside of that, she seems different.

chronology: orkanen. Do you not think it unsporting not to give Zanjan a opportunity to reply? like you I think she is 'out to lunch' with her ideas, and it can be tedious having such Posts. There was an American Chap here on Wire some years ago who Posted his belief Jesus was a Mexican High Priest who sailed to Israel in a Reed Boat. Thank goodness he is no longer here, but he provided an insight into delusional thinking if nothing els.

orkanen: I am giving her every opportunity to reply. Read through the thread, and you'll see I'm requesting she backs up two particular assertions, and that I'll delete all other replies from her. I've pointed out to her numerous times that she is often dishonest in her ways, and how she is dishonest. Have you noticed me bringing up lemons, "nature's own batteries", from time to time? Zanjan claimed so, without having a clue what she was talking about, so I pointed it out to her. No surprise, she became annoyed that I ruined her point, mainly that GOD IS, instead of caring to get her facts straight.

If she posts something in this thread, explaining how the study in question is not scientific, or if she points out where to find her own study, or she admits she was lying about either, I will leave her post be.

chronology: orkenen, thanks for pointing that out, sounds positively reasonable of you.

orkanen: Thank you, chronology. She will most likely not believe me when I state that I find no joy in deleting her posts. For 2 years, have I tried reasoning with her, informing her, ridiculing her, enlightening her, anything to make her cease being dishonest. So far, nothing has worked. It seems she has no idea what a debate forum is. Oh, I mentioned you while speaking with Heretix today, he says hello.

chayi: ork, listen, you're really funny, anyone who is not in your foolish thoughts is being labeled and named and what not, but the truth is the opposite, all the rude naming falls on the fools that reject and deny the truth
...There is so many history, even if you don't have some evidence your lacking mind ask for, but think that you're mistaking and rejecting what really is the truth

orkanen: So, all I have to do is follow the "right" god, and all will be fine, chayi? If only you "experts" could agree on which god that is, all would be well. Meanwhile, in the world outside of imagination, life goes on, whether or not people pay attention to any of these gods. It's as if they don't exist.

What is most foolish, asserting one particular flavour of religion as the only true way of life, or using ones skills of reasoning on several religions, discarding them, due to their inconsistencies and nonsensical nature?

Corwin: I love how Chayi talks about what is "really" the truth.

On another thread, Chayi was just explaining to me how the planet Mercury is actually a star not a planet, the Sun is actually a planet not a star, and everything revolves around the Earth.

Chayi's religious indoctrination as a child has obviously been very useful to him for determining what the "real" truth is.

Corwin: Another time, when Chayi was insisting that the whole Universe (not just the Earth) is only 6000 years old... and I asked him how we can see objects much farther away than 6000 light-years away - the Andromeda Galaxy for instance is more than a million light-years away - surely there would not have been enough time for it's light to reach us.

Chayi says that we can see these distant objects because they are shiny... and we can see far away shiny things even if their light has not reached us yet. Like if you shine a laser-pointer on the wall - you can see the little red dot even though you are pointing the laser in the direction away from you. Or how we can see perfectly well in a completely darkened room even though there is no light reaching our eyes... we see the "shininess" of things.

The fact that I can't understand this demonstrates my own stupidity. I must have missed the part in Physics class about how the speed-of-shiny far exceeds the speed-of-light.

It's a good thing that childhood religious indoctrination doesn't turn people's brains into Gorgonzola Cheese.

chayi: If you would remove a shiny star that is million light-years away and replace it again, on the second you would see that star again

Corwin: No... if it was a million light-years away, from our standpoint you wouldn't see it vanish until a million years later. And the light we are seeing now was light the star shone out a million years ago.

chayi: No, you would see it on the second

Corwin: No.... you wouldn't... light does not travel instantaneously, it travels at about 300,000 km a second. This is why we call it "the speed of light". And a "light-year" is the distance light travels in a year.

That light you see from a star a million light-years away is a million years old.

chayi: Because your teacher and science books made by men like you with own theories told you so

No and No

You would see it on the second

The Sun is also years of light away from earth, and every morning the Sun comes back to its place it rises, you see the sun on the second it rises

light does not travel,
It reflects from atom to atom
light is not a existing object, its a reflecting state of light
light reflects in the air from atom to atom, its a reflection, not an existing physical object
Space is atoms, air has atoms
That's why its so fast. because its a reflection, nothing what travels

Corwin:
No... light consists of particles called photons... photons that travel at a fixed speed. This is not just some theory, it is proven.

And the Sun is not light-years away from the Earth, it is roughly 8 light-minutes away from the Earth... so in other words, we are seeing the Sun the way it was 8 minutes ago.
If the Sun winked out at this moment, we wouldn't know it until 8 minutes later.

chayi: No, this is only for the light to reach the earth, but to see the Sun ball itself, you see it on the second it rises