Does God make Mistakes? (Page 5)

lavendar_star: O please many religious people dont live by their religion/religious books and which God/Holy book is true, the God of Jews which is the oldest monolithic God, the Christian God or the Muslim God which is the youngest and what about humans who have lived centuries ago who believed in many gods and Goddess. If God is so righteous then it shouldnt care.

CoIin: "What if you're wrong?" Gotta love that question, eh? Ok, let me try....

I believe in a god called Nasty. He's much nastier than Yahweh and Allah. He's so nasty that if you don't believe in him, he not only condemns you to eternal torture after death, but your whole family too.

What!? You don't believe in Nasty? What if you're wrong?

vernch: because in one place in the bible, it says (I am quoting) "every soul shall taste death, and the father will not bear the sin of the son, neither the son shall bear the sin of the father.....".. And from their teachings, original sin is there which is completely denied in Islam faith.

The above is the contradiction on christian teaching, The bible say no bearing of other's sin, and the church is teaching that sin is already there the time a baby is born..

And what do you want me to emphasize more on my answer?

xapim: "there must be a contradicting" god intrevenes for fellowship cause of the first sin ??? so instead of earthly side by side walk as of garden of edden with god ??? theres a intervening, cause of the first sin, so from trust god alone we were cursed to hard labor and child birth and ....??? life fellowship wasnt' perfect any more, and man was on his own and i think profets would say "repent and serve god"..??? so of our free will there's sin in this world that leads towards the horrible imagining of truth that happens....like disabilities, hurt, death ect....god does what he wants and pleases yet " ..there is none like thee" ? i think the good parents our none like thee, or thee good friend or that person of advisement or that special someone, at least if sht happens there not the self sufficiant master, and there is none like the.....people make mistakes , does god ?

lavendar_star: Ok, Vernch I'm sure there's many contradictions in the Koran and many teaching which are dubious at the least so please dont make out or least alluding to that Islam is the right religion they have all the same fault for me.

CoIin: Original sin? The fruit thing, you mean?

Hmm, that would involve belief in a garden of Eden, a god who "walked with Adam" and a talking snake.

C'mon folks. Isn't this just a wee bit silly?

P.S. After Cain murdered his brother, how did he find a wife East of Eden? There were only three people in the world, weren't there?

lavendar_star: lol Colinian lets don't go there with that fairy tale and woman was made from man's rip, bull crap.

xapim: and unicorns and dragons are gonna fly down from the sky and eat us...

lavendar_star: lol vernch guy gone what happened there???????how bizarre

CoIin: Looks like a unicorn just got that V dude

slasian: I think vernch you are a pathetic liar I said The Christians accept the fact and it is not a contradiction to them because the word clearly said I will punish children for their parents sin in fact they say that is why Jesus comes to earth he was here to clear the original sin. But in Muslim book it says I will not punish children for their parents sin yet you are telling as that Allah is torturing those babies to test us, what is their sin? Don't be smart the contradiction is in your Book. I will repeat my previous post and please don't be a smart ass this time.

“ If you do not want to have the foundations to be set here then answer to my question about Allah, his word and your claim that he tortured them to test us. How can he do it after he clearly said I will not punish children for their parents’ sin? Even a Christian had a better ground on this particular point because the bible said I will punish children for their parents’ sin but Allah doesn't and what is your answer? Then what about the right of the baby, does it mean that Allah created that baby for the sole purpose of torture? And will it be logical to punish some one for the sake of others? How could this go with the Irahman Irahim thing? Unlike the Christian God the Muslim God had made it clear that children are free from original sin, yet when you say those babies born with genetic diseases are the work of Allah and he deliberately created them to test the rest wouldn’t it mean that it is a mistake? Please don’t be a smart bird and try to wistle the wrong song I did say the above things and not what you had posted in your opening paragraph”.

So these are my words and answer to the question in its right form!

lavendar_star: Like I said aint they the same God how can you have two different Gods lol

CoIin: What if you're wrong? I like this dude's answer.

YouTube

slasian: Before you come in the conversation, on page 4, I was dealing about this foundational deference with StackInSixties, the problem is people just jump in to useless quarrel. I will copy past the reason why the Gods are important. here it is.

From page 4
Lets be honest here even Buddha and Christ fit to the trap set by you and Cambel, the question is which God do you think made mistakes? Like I said the God you find in many religion is some distorted image of the creator.

The real argument is here:

First if you think that God can make a mistake you are either acknowledging the existence of God or you are mocking.

Second, you are an atheist and the question is just a rhetorical question to tackle some fanatic religious individual, yet unless you state which God is making this mistakes you couldn't proof your point. Well in some books earth quacks and disease are attributed to God and some they are not. So for you to proof that God doesn't exist because he made a mistake is invalid because one you doesn't state which God is in question here and two every religion defines the nature of God in different ways and for some there could be a God who er like every one here.

Hence,forget the mocking part because nothing informative could come out of it and lets talk about the God you are referring to, regarding the two points as an atheist or as a person who recognized its existence. Tell us what kind of God it is (I mean lets have the foundation)

(to know about which god we are talking is the first thing, and when vernich couldnot hold on to his horse I was forced to ask how he could say god doesn't make a mistake while Alah said He will not punish children for their parents sin and there you said he torture babies to test others. He then deliberately twisted the words and try to make it look like contradiction in bible which was a clear loop in his claim as a Muslim,the funny thing is Vernch deleted his account I guess I had to wait another muslim to answer it. The Christians are also not logical when they say God create such babies to suffer even though their God clearly made visible that he will punish children for their sin. I was asking the foundations to have a clear understanding because of the above two logical frame works)

lavendar_star: Ok Col, I was trying to listen to what he was saying but his cuteness was distracting me but I agree with his analysis of the argument , that was my reasoning if God gave me my mind/free will then he/she/ it would understand me not believing etc.

CoIin: "First if you think that God can make a mistake you are either acknowledging the existence of God or you are mocking."


I look on it as literary criticism. Aren't we allowed to discuss Hamlet's mistakes?

CoIin: ^^ LMAO @ cuteness

lavendar_star: Yes I agree Col, as literary criticism but with a hint of mocking I put my hands up to that, but never the less, I always ask religious folk what is this God they speak off and I never get a answer. So I just refer to the supernatural being of the Holy books which in itself doesn't give a clear clarification of what it is, just its actions.

lavendar_star: But he is cute I like a man for his mind but that dude in the vid was very cute

CoIin: Yeah, and no one took me up on my generous offer of a free Taiwanese god. But I suppose we have to face the facts. 600 gods!! Why that's just silly!!

slasian: After cutting out this part of my post "First if you think that God can make a mistake you are either acknowledging the existence of God or you are mocking."

Colinian replies:

"I look on it as literary criticism. Aren't we allowed to discuss Hamlet's mistakes?"

Yes that is what I was looking for, a criticism which is logical and informative. If you were as wise as you think you are, then you will understand what it meant.

I said these words to StackInSixities because I thought we could really get on some foundation spot where we can argue comfortably and perhaps find some new insights to the question of God and his nature. I will put the frame once more if you can understand it in its intended way. I don't care either any one here mock at God or pray for him, I only care for one thing can any of you engage in a logical argument? Here is the frame again:

The question ‘Does God made a Mistake?’ is a vague one though indeed it is a proper question. For people who think that this could be answered logically some things have to be set first. The world has many Gods, more than 5,000 religions are recognised by the UNESCO or some other international organization idc, and even some religions have as much as 1000 gods and goddesses (for lavender yes some of the religions do have a female god happy now? ) So what we had to do first is set the foundation behind this question. If it is only to ridicule some fanatic religious person nothing good will be gained from here, but I for one is really curious about it, because many Atheist use this question to proof that there is no God. The funny thing is also for many Atheist the picture of God is highly influenced by Jewish culture (since the three most know dominant religion in the west are rooted in Judaism) yet God, if he exist, does not necessarily had to be such type of God, and that was why I posted the following terms.

First if you think that God can make a mistake you are either acknowledging the existence of God or you are mocking.

Second, you are an atheist and the question is just a rhetorical question to tackle some fanatic religious individual, yet unless you state which God is making this mistakes you couldn't proof your point. Well in some books, earth quakes and disease are attributed to God and in some they are not. So for you to proof that God doesn't exist because he made a mistake is invalid because one, you doesn't state which God is in question here and two every religion defines the nature of God in different ways and for some there could be a God who er like every one here.

Hence, forget the mocking part because nothing informative could come out of it and lets talk about the God you are referring to, regarding the two points as an atheist or as a person who recognized its existence. Tell us what kind of God it is (I mean lets have the foundation)

I think if we can some how set this things and made it clear for every body... I think we can argue like true gentlemen here if not good luck with a pointless argument.

xapim: "religion......... gotta love it ". this became confusing to me, if there's 2 points athiest , who dont believe theres a god to make mistakes, and then those who believe in god, who believe the books and so god doesn't make mistakes....or those who believe in god and that , that deity does make mistakes...? it seems it would be a decision of what you believe or think , wouldn't it ?

StuckInTheSixties:

This thread has turned into a waste of server space ...

LiptonCambell: I gotta agree with you 60's.....somewhere around someone asked "whose God makes mistakes" that it all became rather pointless

lavendar_star: so because the question diverted its now pointless, interesting