Does God make Mistakes?

LiptonCambell: I've always wondered this- there seems to be two camps on this issue, usually with people living in both camps because, well, they simply don't care that they are contradicting themselves;

Either God doesn't make mistakes- that Adam and Eve were exposed to the Tree with the intent that they would eat the apple- that Judas was born with the intent that that man would lead to the murder of Gods son- that Hitler was born with the intent of creating the Holocaust- that all these things were done, on purpose, by God- and that, ultimately all these people were victims on Gods "master plan"....

Or God does make mistakes- at which point, the entire concept of a "master plan" is in question....


Which is it?

P4IN: Looks like you've stumbled upon yet another of many seemingly fatal flaws of religion. Unfortunately logical contradictions do not deter the religious

LiptonCambell: Lol you may be right....

CoIin: see the duckbilled platypus

P4IN: Again, the whole tragedy is the fact that the very possibility of me being right makes absolutely no difference to the average genocidal muffin man worshiper :\

CoIin: Anything can be explained as "God's plan". Doesn't mean anything though. Adler used to do the same thing. "He killed that child due to low self-esteem" and "He saved that child due to low self-esteem".... Hard to be wrong with unfalsifiable nonsense like that.

One Bar: Maybe there's a third camp: there's no god. Just a thought.

One Bar: Maybe the universe is steadily evolving into God. When this is achieved then all preceding mistakes will be infinitely insignificant. I'm on a train drinking coffee.

LiptonCambell: lol I've always been perplexed by peoples insistence that God is male....if there's only one God, then God wouldn't have a sex- so if God is male, then maybe they're trying to make a girlfriend outta this mess.....

PureSilver67: No God. People should take responsibility for their own actions. Our own mindset heads us in a certain direction and there are "uncontrollable" things - other people - that can help or interfere ... we just have to make the most of it.

lavendar_star: lol it isn't either plus the Bible itself is full of mistakes and contradictions, I find it interesting when something happens to someone good or bad and they say its Gods plan; like if someone survives a car crash but another person dies, how does it work for Gods plan be good for one but bad for another. Peoples relationship with God is very selfish and idealistic, people need a power beyond their own for things to happen or to explain things theres no logic to it, its all about faith!!!!

The reason God is male is because of the Romans and their male dominated society when they consolidated Christianity and God is inspired from Zeus who was the top God of the Greeks, he coincidently had a son too. and Islam is defo no better before that there was Goddess n Gods in most cultures.

StuckInTheSixties:

The standard answer for this logical dilemma is:

" It's God's will. (Shut up, and stop causing trouble, Infidel!) "

Zardha: Surely, there should ring a bell or two in intelligent and rational minds that hear about people taking the "God's will" thing to dangerous extremes, like parents letting their children die because "it wasn't God's will that they shouild live", when a simple medical treatment could have saved their lives. So where goes the limit for what we should leave to God and what we should decide by applying our sound judgment?

StuckInTheSixties:

That's a good question. It's curious how very often those who ardently wish to be free of having religion meddle in their lives are willing to meddle in the lives of the religious. In another recent Wireclub thread, there were those that advocated banning religious schools, for instance. I've even read posts that advocating banning religion ... period.

xapim: i thought............it was gods plan or will ? and if theres a mistake then its considered still gods plan to make a mistake ? a contrridiction of a testing the belief ? or the thought to learn ? i dont think they were intent to eat the apple, the plan was free instead of robotic, like a bk at the end of the page you choose which page number to go to on a free decision. judas wasnt born to trease. he part of a plan came into existance of the last super, and got mad cause jesus said he was gonna trease. hitler born to create the holocaust wasnt so but a staement as binladen is the evilman....though it was all a masterplan. forinstance on the cross (honor your father and mother) though, why was cried out in a woundering question........is that honor ? or was there a transfiguring of the trinity to marry, hence Mother mary. as i read i saw another sneaky event being taken place, as realms are desturbed. isnt there a burial ground of a million bones found called catacombs, if the man on the cross was the same man. all had been served and assumption began, in faith. asking is it the master plan, yes.

antonello: God's plan? A convenient excuse to hide behind when you are too cowardly to take repsonsibility for your own actions...

xapim: i thought they were like comic bk charecters with a religious twist, and in it was "gods plan" i figure it makes a good excuse to,also woulndnt it?

slasian: No dising the girls here but god has to be a male, oh my god who can stand the constant non-rational, emotional, hormonal and hysterical dogmas of the female god, thank the Romans or the Jews for creating a male god.

StuckInTheSixties:

"No dising the girls here ..."

... followed by a blatantly sexist mini-rant that is unrelated to any of the preceding posts ...

Nah ... no disrespect for women there at all ... **








** sarcasm

LiptonCambell: 60, you just don't get it- once you say "no disrespect", you're allowed to say any disrespectful thing imaginable. That's how English language works.

StuckInTheSixties:

Oh, I see. So beginning a sexist statement with that disclaimer gives license to making the statement ...

But, of course, it doesn't in any way disguise the blatant sexism.

One Bar: It's just how we do things over here. EG, "I'm not being rude but your tea tastes like shite. Please go make me another one, vicar."

StuckInTheSixties:

No mistaking that.

Not only a blatant sexist, but a BLATANT homophobe, as well.

Why don't you say something racist, and go for the hat trick?

slasian: hehehe I want to talk with a man.

xapim: has anyone ever seen that movie where jim carrie was god, "unmistakable"