Why do you choose bad muslims to represent Islam?

Rena787: Why not the oppsite?

Many good muslims, they are good because they follow the true teachings of Islam. They don't understand some verses by themselves. they go to scholars to ask about these verses which something that bad muslims don't do.

mongrel_pup: A religion is best represented by whoever shouts the loudest and draws most attention towards it.

Good, decent Muslims tend to be quiet; and not stand up for their opinions and distance themselves publicly from the extremists. Therfore, their voice is seldom heard and the rest of the world is left with the false notion that all Muslims are bad people with explosives strapped on to their bodies.

flashie: good point and lets not forget geo politics, which plays a part too. also human nature as we like to hate on someone.

haters gonna hate.

LiptonCambell: I gotta agree with both posters above. Its a mixture of good Muslims being not as noticable because they live good, peaceful unintrusive lives, and the fact that the noisest Muslims just so happen to be threatening westerners and "infidels", thus creating an atmosphere of fear and resentment.

Faith & proof: Good point sis and let's take into consideration that the companions ( may Allah be pleased with them )of the prophet ( peace be upon him ) before they convert to Islam they were bad,uncivilized ,and undecent people. They used to kill people for silly reasons, beat their wives and do the most hideous things. But when they bacame muslims, they've completely changed. They start to respect their wives,slaves, and any human being. Even Umar Ibn Al-Khattab who became the second Muslim ruler after Prophet Muhammad's death and ruled for 10 years, he used to call Bilal Ibn Rabah (another companion of the prophet) you are our master. And Bilal Ibn Rabah was black slave for Umayyah ibn Khalaf who used to treat Bilal so badly because he chose to follow prophet Muhammad.

LiptonCambell: But people don't look to the koran insists how muslims or islamics act to make their judgements of what muslims are like....they look to the most active, noisy example. And sadly, the most noisy and active are quite violent.

huda: So true. That is all.

StuckInTheSixties: A hypothetical:

The non-Muslim decides he wants to learn about Muslims, so he flies to a Middle East country to learn. He spends weeks meeting various people, talking to them, attending services, listening to various clerics and imams speaking, and generally absorbing the atmosphere of Muslim life. He's on his way back to the airport to return home, and up ahead, a huge car bomb goes off. There's dead bodies all over the place, body parts, blood, screaming, panic, sirens as the ambulances arrive, and suddenly, a second car bomb goes off, placed and timed to cause maximum carnage among those coming to the aid of the victims of the first bomb. Later that day, an organization called "Al Qaeda In [name of the country]" takes credit for the bombings.

What would you imagine will have the greater impact upon his impression of Muslims, the many people he talked to and listened to, or Al Qaeda In [name of the country]?

nicholmikey: Well the loud ones seem to be the ones following their holy book the most, quoting all of the bigotry that "normal" Muslims do not follow, as the quiet ones have a hybrid of secular morals and religious traditions. Much like the "God hates fwy$" WBC Christians in the states, they take the bible more seriously than passive Christians so they are used as an example of Christianity. In the old testament it says homosexuality is an abomination, and in the new testament Jesus says the old testament rules apply, so the WBC is being more truthful about what Christianity is than the moderate religious. To my point, the Muslims that treat woman as if they are below men are just following "koran 4:34 :
Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. ", the loud ones that are bigoted against women follow the koran more then the quiet ones you speak of therefor are shown as an example.

nicholmikey: I will add some more. Lets say there is a religion that follows the loch ness monster, and like the Abrahamic religions it has a holy book. Now in the book it says that you must punch old people in the face when you see them. Now 90% of "nessians" do not punch old people in the face as that does not fit with modern secular morals, but 10% take the book so seriously that they perform every command in the book. These "Bad" nessians, bad in the eyes of modern society, would be the better example of nessians as they follow 100% of the dogma and present an entire view of what they stand for.

Also I am not trying to pick on Muslims, Christianity and the Jewish religion have terrible outdated morals and teachings. Following them is an act of slowing moral progress.

flashie: "What would you imagine will have the greater impact upon his impression of Muslims, the many people he talked to and listened to, or Al Qaeda In [name of the country]?"

^its a no brainer isnt it? does this same hypothetical person know that every hardline extremist group like al qaeda has been set up and funded by a western intel agency like m15 or cia?

StuckInTheSixties: Typical flashie conspiracy nonsense.

No, pardon me ...

... conspiracy BULLSHIT.

And yet another of your patented attempts to steer the thread to irrelevant crap.

Faith & proof: Good muslims calim that they follow the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Bad muslims calim that they follow the Qur'an and Sunnah .

Any rational thinking will do some investigations from the Qur'an and Sunnah to see which one of them is right to make its judgment.

StuckInTheSixties: That's irrational thinking.

Rena787: That's irrational thinking.

Faith ment people who can think, this doesn't include you

flashie: sits can you please explain why alex jones has no evidence seeing as your so vocal and sure that muslim al qaeda for one wasnt set up and funded by western gov and the brotherhood too?

are you so adamant can i ask that gulf of tonkin is fake?

sits do you advocate that gulf of tonkin is bs?

flashie: sadam was a friend of the west like hitler mubarak israel *still) saudi arabia (and their MONARCHY sharia law) (im being cool and not saying puppet) would you please take your turn in being a man and admitting the west isnt whiter than white and common ppl perhaps duped on occasion ?

flashie: god bless america and her anti uk monarchy revoultion right? land of the free and brave?


friend of countless corruption.

its not you or john doe, trust. (im so kind and diplomatic, no need for f117 or suicide bombers right) but wtf? cheney? bush? you kidding.


stop jokin around. this is an independent internet forum you can spk your mind ffs.

youre not getting paid ffs. are you?

flashie: lets debunk conspiracy..

why not? lets prove it

flashie: IM NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE MASS MURDER. LETS DEBUNK AMERICAN CONSPIRACY PROPERLY AND STOP TURNING A BLIND EYE TO MASS MURDER AND BS ISLAMOPHOBIA YOU FRICKIN DIG OLD BEAN?

flashie: god forbid world domination of sharia law but ignore ruthless corporate warmongering product of pretend democracy.

as long as we can defer a minority of nutters in favour of the minority of nutters who you think care about you its ok right?

you got kids and grandchildren? you think this new world order gonna phuckin pan out ras clot?

bs

StuckInTheSixties: Man, you are really ranting ...



... and of course, ranting about things that have nothing to do with the topic. Start a proper thread for that stuff, and I'll be happy to address it.

LiptonCambell: >>>(im being cool and not saying puppet)

Lol good thing you didn't say that. That was real cool of you.

>>>god forbid world domination of sharia law but ignore ruthless corporate warmongering product of pretend democracy.

Lol the old "you too" argument. Its great deflection, but the original topic was about Islam, and how fundamentalists represent them. You wanna make a topic about the US being bastards, go nuts. But this place is for discussing WHY Muslims are getting a bad wrap- not the bad wraps of others.

StuckInTheSixties: flashie never lets a topic stand in his way of making an unrelated and irrelvant conspiracist rants about how evil the USA is.

Returning to the topic of the image of Islam, and how people perceive it:

flashie, only a few days ago, in snawani's thread, you were voicing total support of Sharia law. Now you say "god forbid." Which is it? Support, or condemnation?

Malobear: SITS,according to imams teaching a muslim should never trust a man that cant grow or have a "fist" full of beard because they are like the serpent or snake.Native Americans are SOL.In your case there is two fist and then some.Im jelious lol

StuckInTheSixties: Perhaps my beard is an indication of Allah's sense of humor!

(Otherwise, Allah, like all authoritarian Gods, seems pretty humorless.)

At least, if I was traipsing around in Afghanistan, I would be repeatedly subjected to references of "ZZ Top" ...

(laughs)