Read Carefully .

Faith & proof: The nineteenth chapter in The Qur'an is Surat Maryam ( Mary ).

Let's read the the beginning of this chapter

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

" Kaf. Ha. Ya. A'in. Sad. (1) A mention of the mercy of thy Lord unto His servant Zachariah. (2) When he cried unto his Lord a cry in secret, (3) Saying: My Lord! Lo! the bones of me wax feeble and my head is shining with grey hair, and I have never been unblest in prayer to Thee, my Lord. (4) Lo! I fear my kinsfolk after me, since my wife is barren. Oh, give me from Thy presence a successor (5) Who shall inherit of me and inherit (also) of the house of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, acceptable (unto Thee). (6) (It was said unto him): O Zachariah! Lo! We bring thee tidings of a son whose name is John; we have given the same name to none before (him). (7) He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age? (8) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me, even as I created thee before, when thou wast naught. (9) He said: My Lord! Appoint for me some token. He said: Thy token is that thou, with no bodily defect, shalt not speak unto mankind three nights. (10) Then he came forth unto his people from the sanctuary, and signified to them: Glorify your Lord at break of day and fall of night. (11) (And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold fast the Scripture. And we gave him wisdom when a child, (12) And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout, (13) And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious. (14) Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive! (15) And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, (16) And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. (17) She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing. (18) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. (19) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste? (20) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a Revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained. (21) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. (22) And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten! (23) Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee, (24) And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee. (25) So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal. (26) Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. (27) O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. (28) Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy? (29) He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, (30) And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, (31) And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. (32) Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! (33) Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. (34) It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (35)"

Faith & proof: At the end of this chapter Allah said :

" And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. (88) Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing (89) Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins, (90) That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son, (91) When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. (92) There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave. (93) Verily He knoweth them and numbereth them with (right) numbering. (94) And each one of them will come unto Him on the Day of Resurrection, alone. (95)" ( Qur'an 19:88-95 )

Mylder: I have read very carefully and I have found a major discrepancy.

Which Miriam/Mary is this about, the sister of Aaron (verse 27) or the mother of Jesus (verse 33)?

I hope you are aware of the fact that the first lived 1300 years before the second.

Yassoor: @ Faith & Proof - Jazak ALLAH khair ya akhi

@ Mylder - If u read carefully,it is clear Maryam (Mary) mentioned in the verse is mother of Issa (Jesus) pbuh.Though i will allow brother Faith 2 reply to ur doubts n questions,thanx

Rena787: Faith i'll answer Mylder's question if it's ok.

answer:


So what ?!

At that time people live for centuries. For example, according to the Qur'an, Prophet Noah ( peace be upon him ) spent 950 years calling people to worship Allah and give up the idols.

Faith & proof: I'm totally ok with that

Let me add something

When Prophet Noah ( peace be upon him ) saw some woman crying, he asked her: Why do you cry? She replied: my son died and he was too young to die. He asked: how old id your son? She said : 300 years. He told her: What do you think of people die at the age of 60. She surprised and said: if my whole age were 60 i would spend this 60 years in one prostration .

Mylder: I am amazed at your obvious ignorance.

After Abraham, nobody lived longer than 110 years.

If the first Mary was the same as the second, then Jesus would have been the nephew of Moses and Aaron, which is a ridiculous thought.

Please conduct a bit more research on the Old Testament before you make complete fools of yourselves, folks!

Conclusion: Aaron's sister was a distant ancestress of Jesus' mother. In the Bible, you may find each generation listed in the genealogies.

Faith & proof: After Abraham, nobody lived longer than 110 years.

O really! I guess you should see my mohter's aunt. She's 115 years old

Mylder: I was referring to what the Bible has to say about its people's lifespans. Before Abraham, it was common to live for 300 to 1000 years. But the next genarations rarely reached 110, according to the Old Testament.

I am fully aware of the fact that some people have lived longer than that at all times, but my point was to demonstrate that the two Marys couldn't have been one and the same, since nobody could have lived continuously for the 1300 years between them, like it was indicated in an earier post, as a futile attempt to harmonise the two verses from the Koran.

Clearly, we are dealing with two different people here.

Yassoor: ASSALAAM O ALAIKOM WR WB
Brother Faith i hope u dont mind if i reply to bro Mylder's questions on behalf of u,jazak ALLAH khair

@ Mylder - Answers to ur questions as follow (if u at any point of time have to look on urself,plzz find at www.quraan.com )

27."O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman."

33.Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).

I hope it is clear enough for u to read n understand bro Mylder,if u still have any questions n doubts let us discuss n clear them plzz,thanx
jazak ALLAH khair

Faith & proof: WA alaikum assalam wa rahmatul'Allah wa barakatuh
thanx Yassor for clearing this for both of us . Mylder, My apologize if i was rude with you.

Mylder: @ Yassoor, no, you still haven't convinced me that the Koran regards Mary #1 as a different person than Mary #2. The former (Aaron's sister) never had any son called Yeshua (Jesus), so she undoubtedly must have been another one than the latter (Jesus' mother).

@ Faith & Proof, no, you haven't offended me. I'm a thick-skinned person and one must be prepared to take a certain beating if one wants to be a participant on this forum. No worries, mate.

Comrade_: *edit: nvm my question...I've erased it and see it as having no sensible answer*

Rena787: Faith i thought you know

Mylder

There are no errors in the above Noble Verses!.

Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding this Noble Verse:

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.

When Jesus was called "Jesus the son of David" for instance, the Jews didn't mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary "O sister of Aaron", they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith !. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron.

The Noble Quran talked about Aaron being Moses's biological brother and messenger to Pharoah in Noble Verses 2:248, 4:163, 6:84, 7:122, 7:142, 7:150-151, 10:75, 10:87, 10:89, 19:28, 19:53, 20:30-35, 20:42, 20:70, 20:92-94, 21:48, 21:23, 21:45, 25:35-36, 26:13, 26:48, 28:34-35, 37:114-122 and many more.....

The Noble Quran also talks about Moses being the People of Isreal's first Messenger of GOD in Noble Verses 2:108, 2:248, 4:153, 5:20-26, 6:84, 14:8, 19:51-53, 22:44, 25:35-36, 28:3, 37:114-122, 18:60-82, 20:9-48, 27:7-12, 28:29-35, 79:15-19, 7:109-126, 10:79-82, 20:56-73, 26:38-51, 33:7, 2:53, 2:87, 2:136, 3:84, 6:91, 6:154, 7:144-145, 10:87, 11:110, 14:5, 17:2, 21:48, and may more....

The Noble Quran also talks about Jesus comming to the people of Isreal so many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the People of Isreal in Noble Verses 3:49-51, 5:46, 5:72, 43:59, 61:6, 61:14, 4:171, 5:75, 43:59, 42:13, 4:172, 19:30, 43:64, 43:63, 3:52-54, 5:111-113, 57:27, 61:14, 61:6 and many more.....

The Noble Quran also talks about Mary being the biological Mother of Jesus in Noble Verses 3:35-37, 19:22-26, 21:91, 66:12, 5:75, 21:91, 4:156, 4:171, 5:17, 5:116, 21:91, 3:42-51, 19:16-21, and many more...

So if the Noble Quran speaks clearly about Aaron being the biological brother of Moses, and speaks clearly about Jesus comming many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the people of Isreal, and speaks clearly about Mary being the Mother of Jesus, then therefore, the Noble Quran (1) Recognizes Mary as a woman who was born long years after Aaron, and (2) When the Jews called Mary 'O sister of Aaron..', then meant it to be Sister of Aaron in faith only and not a biological sister.

Hope it was clear

StuckInTheSixties: This thread is so boring it's like taking a sleeping pill. I'll be coming back to this thread every now and then when I can used a little deep, restful sleep.

G'night!

zzz-zzz-zzz-zzz-zzz-zzz

Yassoor: ASSALAAM O ALAIKOM WARAHMATULLAH WABARAKATOH !

@FAITH & PROOF - No worries brother its my duty being a muslim
@MYLDER - It was clear in my reply to ur questions or u say it doubts,but i guess u need to read it very carefully thouroughly,rather than come up with baseless questions again n again to in-order to confuse us
My humble request to u plzz read my reply again,if need be try to use a dictionary.
I hope Rena has given u the detailed answers for ur doubts.
PEACE

Mylder: At this stage, I guess that it's time for me to take one step back and just watch the religious kids play around with names as metaphors, since it doesn't matter to me anyhow. I just don't see the point in the mother of Jesus being the symbolic sister of Aaron, that's all. What possible benefit can such time-shuffling have to us today?

Enjoy your little games, I'm out of here...

duncan123: I think the old books that say someone lived too long mean that those people live that way overcoming that propblem for that long, or that happened and nothing else did for so long.
There is some evidence that some of that kind of record was written by another "life form" and its version recalled in the humans records.
And as we can see from the posts here people will say the samething over and over again. Especialy if they are bad people.

Rena787: i guess the answer was clear

duncan123: Say what you want to say!

Don't let me stop you or confuse you!

Faith & proof: Well, i think Rena right
It's not our problem if your mind can not absorb what's written above

Yassoor: ASSALAAM O ALAIKOM WARAHMATULLA WA BARAKATOH

Bro Faith & Proof plzz keep writing verses of QUR'AAN as u been doing like b4,for which im sure u'l get Ajr.plzz dont waste much time bothering about ignorant people who try to confuse us with baseless questions knowing very little themselves
There were ignorant & arrogant people in the past during times of ALLAH's Messengers,they still exist during our times
jazak ALLAH khair