Religion doesn't make sense (Page 3)

john1576
john1576: Buddha Monster. Can you please explain how any one 'owes god' anything. People I know work for a living. They may or may not get a good deal on homes, cars, bikes etc they buy. Where the hell does 'god' come into this and how exactly is he 'owed' anything? I have never heard anything so irrational in my life.
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Wire is full of disbelief. It is pointless arguing, and i'm not getting aggravated over anyone.. We all have our chance.. Jesus or 'no Jesus'.. Either way, i'm still marchin' on.

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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Buddha - Good post. You made good sense out of "faith".
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Riddler_This
Riddler_This: Good post Buddha!

John, from what I understand he is referring to the fact that we owe Christ everything for everything Christ did for us (died for us, blessing us, etc). At least, that is how I perceive it.
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♠_Krash_♠
♠_Krash_♠: So why didnt jesus make himself known to the aboriginals of australia?

Why were they left in the cold?

Was 1800 years after the fact they 1st hear about it,seems hardly fair now doesn't it?
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The Buddha Monster
The Buddha Monster: john1576:

"Buddha Monster. Can you please explain how any one 'owes god' anything. People I know work for a living. They may or may not get a good deal on homes, cars, bikes etc they buy. Where the hell does 'god' come into this and how exactly is he 'owed' anything? I have never heard anything so irrational in my life."

john, do me a favor. Rub an onion on your foot. You will taste it in about 5 minutes. You might be able to explain it - but it makes no rational sense. Sort of the same thing I'm attempting to explain to you right now.

I find it's best to use scientific evidence to explain my views on God. So here it goes:

Scientifically - we live in a universe where the four major forces (Gravity, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force, & Electromagnetism) are seemingly custom-fitted to allow for our existence. Any slight shift in any of these four forces and we would either freeze, burn, be crushed, or ripped apart. That's pretty irrational to me as well.

Not to mention the Big Bang theory - which is at the forefront of modern physics at this time. This theory states that our universe just suddenly POPPED into existence. We were nothing but a singularity - a writhing froth of matter so dense that it barely existed at all, yet it contained everything you have seen, everything you haven't seen, and everything you never will see.

Then... ...for seemingly no reason at all...

BANG

Now do me another favor. Try to turn your lights on in your house without lifting a finger. Can't do it. So how did we pop out of nothing, if not for someone flicking that switch?

Think about it...and if you still come to the conclusion that there isn't a governing power beyond you, or anyone else's comprehension then so be it...but this scientific approach to God is what did it for me, and I believe that eventually it will become realized by the masses as well.
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john1576
john1576: Difficult subject Krash. The Internet is Global, people here reading about Christianity probably only have a few hundred years of having the Gospels. Here in what was the Roman Empire, Christianity goes back to, well Jesus. In a few hours I will be travelling through The Emperor Constantine's old Headquarters Town. The Roman Legions "S.P.Q.R." is everywhere in Town if you know where to look. Why have we had 2000 years of Christ and the Aborigines and Africans etc only a few hundred? No idea.
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john1576
john1576: Budda Monster. O.K. I have read what you have written, no need for further explanation.
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♠_Krash_♠
♠_Krash_♠: Spoke to an aboriginal at the pub once john,asked him about his thoughts on jesus...he just replied its a white mans lie..

Hard to argue with him,from his point of view..

Also the school i went to as a child had scripture classes (not anymore thank goodness)and even though aboriginals went to my school,they were never in those classes,i think the official policy was they could be excused....But personally i just think they didnt want certain questions asked in there,something i know about considering i was banned from scripture classes...
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john1576
john1576: I think that is where it must be difficult for Aboriginals and others to grasp. I mean we here see the Buildings the Legions lived in, we see the Roman Eagle, Road Names, Town Names, many have Roman origins. We read of Pilot in the Gospels, a Roman Prefect, just like one in our Old Town. So it was easy to accept the Gospels as literal Fact. Must be difficult for some one who has never seen a Roman Road, or Fort to connect with the events of the past. If you ever visit here Krash, check out the Roman Lighthouse at Scarborough.
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♠_Krash_♠
♠_Krash_♠: Imagine aborigines when they were 1st being told by the christians,believe in jesus or be damned,and they did take the fire and brimstone approach with them back in those days...

Would imagine something like..

Hmmm do we believe in thousands of years of our own culture,or what this crazy white man is telling us..

Thats why i dont take to heaven and hell at all,unless everyone was given ist hand information,how could you possibly belive it..

Doesnt make sense..
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928 as the mack
928 as the mack: it dose not matter which religion is correct, it really matters on what you want to beleive in, I mean sure it's not going to make any sens , you don't think it follows through with anything.

it's like this , Atheism is like a can of MTN DEW , and the Catholicism is like a can of Coke, then islam is like a can of Pepsi , it's on what you really enjoy, and what you enjoy is alright with you.

People are going to like things that you don't like, and your going to like things that they don't like, I think I just made a point here.
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satangel
satangel: Your point is valid, Zoroaster.

The problem starts when the Coke drinkers demand that everybody should drink Coke, also those who like Mountain Dew or Pepsi and don't want to give up their preferred beverage just because somebody else tells them to...
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Great thread Krash!

About time some hand grenades were thrown into the Religion forum.
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flashie
flashie: good use of metaphors ans similies.

has anyone checked that book i put up before we went racist?
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♠_Krash_♠
♠_Krash_♠: Point out the racism flashie?

Just asking a question...your answer,read a book...

What about some of the other religions viewpoints on this?
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john1576
john1576: Racist?
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guess who
guess who: all religions are man made stupidities and should be banned before they get someone hurt.
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guess who
guess who: just what this subject needed another stupid comment.
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flashie
flashie: apparently i was racist, only by ignorance tho. before we were speaking about my err we were talking about religion not making sense at which point i shared a book wit y'all that blew me away (no bomb) when i was a younger man.

it basically turned me from athiest to beliver ie made sense of weligion
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TheRealMrGuy
TheRealMrGuy: I dont believe in God anymore, but I used to. When I did, it really seemed to improve the quatity of life. I could sit in church once every sunday and walk out feeling truely happy and renewed from the previous week of stress and confusion. After I left the catholic faith behind (almost immediately following my comfirmation), I eventually began looking to astrology in the same way. It seems much more real than any religious belief I had ever read up on. From it, I came up with a new theory concerning religion and spirituallity. If the stars really do depict the emotions and thoughts of humans on earth, as well as the situations and events that take place around them, there has to be a reason for it- right? Well- consider this... The human body has so many internal functions. Functions that we have no idea are taking place without looking to science. But its funny to me- our brain tells our heart to beat and our veins to carry blood. It tells our digestive system how to work, our respitory system how to function and so on. Most people have no idea how this happens, but, in a sense, they have to- right? I mean, it is THEIR brain that makes these things happen. Perhas there is a God. He may not know us by name, but I believe there is a higher purpous (power at work). What would allow all this to make sense??? If the universe was a living organism. Perhaps we do a job to keep the organism alive, much like the microscopic beings in our bodies. Perhaps the concept of religion (fear of dieing) is simply to keep us doing our job (whatever it is. Obviously with this theory, the situation would be so complex, we would probobly never understand exactly what our purpous is within the organism). What gave me this idea was a book on Budism that I read. The book talked about how science and religion could go hand in hand. It makes sense! If God really is all powerfull, wouldnt that explain where such a complex concept such as science came from??? Hit me up if anyone has feedback. I love debating this.
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♠_Krash_♠
♠_Krash_♠: What caused you to give up your religion mrguy?
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TheRealMrGuy
TheRealMrGuy: when I walked into my church, it was as if nobody wanted to be there. The church ladies bickered to one another but none of them liked each other-lol. It was very rare that anyone would look you in the eye when offering a sign of Christs peace (ceremony toward the end of every mass where family members hugged one another and strangers shook hands while saying peace be with you). These were not the reasons I gave it up of course. I know that humans are not perfect. We are all weak and ignorant (mortal). First of all, why they passed the collection plate around TWICE was a mystery to me. I never payed it too much mind. Though I had by that point spoken with quite a few people who compared the catholic church to a greedy govornment organization of some sort. My stepfather attended my comfirmation and put a twenty dollar bill in the first collection. On the second collection he gave nothing and claims he was given a dirty look for not doing so. He is known to exagerate, so again, I payed very little attention. Priests began to become known as stereotypical pedophiles, and I even found that a boy from a private school I had attended was molested the year following me changing schools. I later found that it was done by a teacher that replaced my old one, Sister Patricia. I can't figure how to explain the influence I experienced as a result of the following, but I actually bumped into the old nun a couple times after the fact. She was one of the sweetest church members I have ever known. She even found out about my comfirmation somehow (I couldnt believe it because it was in a church on the other side of town and it had been a while sinse I had seen her) and sent me a very nice card. To be quite honest, I have never met another church goer, prist, or nun with such compassion written on the face. I tried to find another for a long time. I never did (this is all my oppinion of course- and I do not have a good reputation for judging people correctly). Further more, it was very difficult for me to talk to anybody about my faith. I never felt as if anyone took it as seriously. Now I have never read the bible in my life. I have started to do so quite a few times, but gave up soon after as I could not comprehend it-lol. Instead, I listened to what was said amongst my teachers in the church and decided to interpret for myself the diffrence between right and wrong. I knew that I was a good person. All I had to do was put my trust in God and search for what I could believe to be the possible truth. Lets get real, how many people do you know that have been vistited by God when nobody was around? And told what to do, how to do it, and when to do so? If there is a God and he does know my name, then I can honestly tell you that I have! If you believe in this God and you search for him, than you have been visited by him too. We all have this God inside of us. The Budists use the same methods to differ between right and wrong- except they call it meditation instead of prayer. Around the time of my comfirmation, I started questioning the possibility that I was choosing the wrong religion to practice. After all, it was all I knew in a sense of what I was taught (told) about spirituality. So I began to look further into it. Constantly testing my faith and attempting to balance out the equasion. In the end I realized that the basic principles of my belief were the following- God loves all of his children regaurdless their race, culture, beliefs, etc. If there were one particular set of beliefs he wanted us to follow, wouldn't he tell us? Otherwise, how is it fair to condem someone for making the wrong choice? After thinking about it even more, I came to the conclusion that God never told me that my church was his house- man did. God never told me to confess my sins to a man in a closet- He told me to confess my sins to him. He never told me I would be forgiven simply for apologizing- but for sincerely being sorry. I wanted to serve God, not humor man.
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TheRealMrGuy
TheRealMrGuy: I hope that answers your question, I ran out of space to type
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john1576
john1576: @RealMrGuy. Are you saying you are a Bhuddist now?
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