Religionist: What if you're wrong? (Page 2)

CandyRivers
CandyRivers: Vikings did that, but then again, they were all a bit heavy metal.
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SPIRIT-ONE
SPIRIT-ONE: Satanist were the first inhabitants of Earth ,when it was a lopsided ball of mud with cracks
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CandyRivers
CandyRivers: Ebil precambrian bacterias - would they be the lolbacterias or the trolbaceterias.

No I got it - "basement bacterias am liek the ebils"

tell us spirit, what satanists were on earth before there was an earth?
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SPIRIT-ONE
SPIRIT-ONE: Not before Earth ,Lucifer the Satan was cast down from Orion [the birthplace of all Creation and place miscalled Heaven] during the infancy of Earth , He was cast down for High Treason against Creator of the Universe Yahweh ,he decided he should have a seat higher than his Creator .
Yahweh gave Lucifer an EON to redeem himself in the eyes of his Maker ,instead ,he chose to set up a bunch of confusing beliefs to cause strife around the world ,plus all but hid the REAL NAMES of the Creator and His Earthly anointed Son ,adding 'fables' along the way to further confuse the masses .
Satan's reign is coming to an end just as the Picean [FISH-CROSS-CHURCH] AGE is coming to a close ,soon greed ,coruption and all that is evil will be gone with the old AGE. Tis the dawning of the AGE of AQUARIUS [ AGE of Spiritual Enlightenment ] where Truth shall come into the LIGHT for the whole world to see . Those who survive what is coming and embrace their Maker as they did in days of OLDE and in past lifetimes ,will enter Yahweh's New Kingdom Paradise ,here on Earth ,and live LIFE ETERNAL in the FLESH with Yahoshua as Our King and Yahweh as Our Father whom will spend eternity with His Favorite Creation [US ]
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CandyRivers
CandyRivers: oh ok then.
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flashie
flashie: if religion is a way to control society thru fear then how do they control society now? or are we all free of control social engineering now?

a guy i worked withs son went to utah years ago now and became mormon. which being unusual made for a few jokes on our tea breaks. the guy said his son was happy and told him if its all a load of bs he wouldnt regret living a pleasant decent lifestyle, far as i know hes a sound guy has nice wife and children and enjoys watching his kids grow up somewhere without gangs and junkies.

religion can provide a good foundation for ppls character i think, and provide a structured happy lifetime, whether its really jesus or a cow or phalic symbol or whatever, i guess we'll have to wait till the dmt kicks in and we find out if it was worth bowing down to a rat or statue
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flashie
flashie: Zadkiel are you jewish? do you belive in a religion or god/s?

and how do you come to the conclusion that someone who follows a religion must be responsible for others actions years in the past? isnt that like saying white people are evil now, because 400years ago they enslaved africans?

im curious to your angel i mean angle
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Zadkiel
Zadkiel: I'm actually in a position that cannot be pidgeonholed accurately. I grew up in a Christian family, but eventually turned my back on religion, after having studied Christian and Jewish origins and development. What I discovered, appalled me to such a degree that I left it all behind.

I don't mean that all present members of a creed are to be held collectively responsible for their former co-religionists' misdeeds. I just want them to have a closer look into their own belief, so that they may learn that everything isn't as rosy red as they have been told. You could possibly claim that I tend to use some kind of "reverse fear" to appeal to their conscience and scare them from becoming associatd with a religion that has committed unspeakable crimes.

This may also be related to my recent intrest in - and studies of - Spiritism, which, without having convinced me to embrace it, explains many things far more logically than any other faith, although it, like the rest, contains many supernatural elements that are totally unacceptable to me.
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: if you could rationalise with religious nuts there wouldn't be any.
candy is tres funny!
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flashie
flashie: im sure ive heard someone else quote that jimi
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flashie
flashie: @zadkiel, fair enough. i dont think youre alone, nowadays alot of ppl are questioning their respective religions esp in the west.

of course alot of ppl nowadays are realising how divisive big religion has been as a tool for social control. but at the same time the secular alternatives could easily be as guilty of such manipulation. i tend to see religion as somthing to hold onto still and try or at least hope a renaissance could change things for the better.

i grew up in a non religious uk household, after things happened to me as a teenager i was sure there is no god - tbh i only had the crucifixion fables as a benchmark, which i never belived. then at 18 i began to get interested in the worlds religions. soon after i found islam to be much more logical than christianity and practised it for 2yrs. nowadays i still belive in god but dont pray much or follow dogma.

it seems all religions have alot to answer for
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: yeah i heard it in some athiest page somewhere...
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CandyRivers
CandyRivers: why thank you Jim.
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