Protests in Iran intensify over death of young woman

freedomfirst1797:

Protest in Iran have intensified over the death of a 22 year old woman who died in custody of their morality police. Mahsa Amini was arrested for failing to wear a hijab, and collapsed while in custody of the police. A few days later she died, of a "heart attack" despite having no history of any heart problems. The reporter who wrote the story has since been arrested by the police.

Iran has restricted internet access and shut down social media sites in an attempt to stop the growing unrest. It is never easy to enforce 7th century rules in the 21st century.

freedomfirst1797:

WHlSKY:
It’s more than the enforcement of rules that take away rights of women. It includes the treatment of the Kurdish people too. And it appears also the overall treatment.

In Kurdish regions, 17 people were shot dead, including four children. Children. That’s fucked up.

It’s commendable and shows that these Iranians want a normal life and are going so far as to risk their lives for it.

I just hope no rightwing cūnt says differently because it is a full example of a people not wanting improvements.

freedomfirst1797: WHISKY.... the hopeful sign I see is Iranians standing up for themselves. These protesters, especially the women, are taking huge personal risks, and that tells me they must be fed up with a theocracy headed by a Supreme Mullah. Even though they get to vote for their own president, he takes orders from that Mullah.

The USA learned the lesson the hard way in Afghanistan. We cannot impose freedom or liberty on other people unless they want it themselves. The Iranian people seem to want more freedom, and I hope they get it.

Contrast our 20 year experience in Afghanistan with our 7 months of experience with Ukraine. We are supplying the Ukrainians with the means to defend themselves, but they are doing all the fighting and dying themselves. They value freedom, but the Aghanis really didn't. They were happy to let us fight for them, but were unwilling to fight for themselves.

WHlSKY:
I agree that it is good that they are standing up for themselves. I think that it is going to be a hard hard challenge for them without outside support and that camaraderie. What they are up against is a colossal force.

The US did not try to work with the the people and culture of Afghanistan. They made a mess there, especially in making that agreement with the Taliban. But even before that with the government they installed. I recall too awhile back the Afghanistan women also fighting for their rights but being beat down by the Taliban. The Taliban, a force that not even the US was able to remove permanently. The Afghanis fought but they weren't respected , the US helped fostered corruption there. The situation was not handled in the manner that Ukraine is handled.

Women and vulnerable groups have it too hard out here.

WHlSKY:
Iran: Lawmaker says women who remove headscarves are prostitutes


An Iranian lawmaker on Tuesday labeled women who have taken off mandatory headscarves to protest against the death of Mahsa Amini as "rioters" who are "out to prostitute themselves."
Mahmoud Nabavian, a legislator from Tehran, made the comments as hardline attitudesgrow against ongoing protests following Amini's death, which occurred while in police custody.
Nabavian suggested that taking off the hijab, or headscarf, was akin to being naked in public.
In similar statements Iranian state media branded the protesters "hypocrites, rioters, thugs and seditionists"…”

https://amp.dw.com/en/iran-lawmaker-says-women-who-remove-headscarves-are-prostitutes/a-63259719

freedomfirst1797: The Mullahs are playing with fire now. The protests are in their 12th day now, and picking up steam. And all are being led by women who are fed up.

WHlSKY:
Yes but it’s still as lambs to the slaughter. They really need to have pressure placed on that regime.

It’s insane that these are ordinary people (lawyers, doctors, housewives, engineers etc) and are up against this powerful force. But without that outside pressure it may just be a silent slaughter and swept under the rug.

WHlSKY:
I read that school girls have taken to protesting too.

It is interesting the history the women in that country has on standing up bravely.


"Women have played a key role in all the protest movements of the past 40 years, including the Green Movement of 2009 and the last major nationwide protests in November 2019, which went on for several weeks before being brutally suppressed.

Immediately after the Islamic Revolution in 1979, women were vocal in demonstrating against the requirement to wear a headscarf, which was introduced under the new Islamic constitution. They were not successful and were forced to submit to the Islamic dress code. Compliance has been enforced ever since by Iran's so-called morality police."

WHlSKY:
“ Iran's state-run broadcaster was apparently hacked on air Saturday, with a news bulletin interrupted by a protest against the country's leader.
A mask appeared on the screen, followed by an image of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei with flames around him.
The group called itself "Adalat Ali", or Ali's Justice.
It comes after at least three people were shot dead when protesters clashed with security forces in new unrest over the death of Mahsa Amini….”

freedomfirst1797: It is very hard to enforce 7th Century rules in the 21st Century. All these young people have smartphones.... and sometimes internet access. I think the Mullahs will find this out the hard way. At least I hope they do.

WHlSKY: The youths also have sense and are well educated. It is perhaps one reason why the Taliban wanted to take education from the females but women are capable of making sense of things.

Someone on wire showed me a picture of the daughter of one of theses top officials in Iran. She dressed just as a regular woman on her social media, no excessive covering up. She said their kids live abroad, opposite of what they instilled as laws for the local women.

freedomfirst1797: Oso, you are exactly right.

Prior to the Islamic Revolution, Iran was one of the most progressive and well educated Islamic nations. Their women had much more freedom, and many were holding important positions. Forget about "wearing their hijabs correctly" they were wearing miniskirts!

But the fundamentalists took Iran back to the 7th Century in 1979 and reversed 200 years of progress. And one of their methods was to deny women even the most basic education. Things like reading and writing. They treat their women like livestock, with no power or say in their own lives. It is no wonder that it is the women who are leading these protests, because they have the most to gain and the least to lose by change.

The men in Iran are basically cowards. It is the women who will someday save their nation.

WHlSKY:
I don't think it's all women though. I believe there are Iranian men who are giving their support actively.

Came back to this thread to mention on Mohsen Shekari. The first to be executed over these protests. He was still a youth in his early 20s.

Shameful and ridiculous.

freedomfirst1797: The protests aren't going unnoticed. Iran recently disbanded their "morality police" amd it was probably out of concern that the protests keep happening, and there is no way for the Mullahs to control the people. After all, this is 2022, and not 722. And even the Muslim Fundamentalists have to change with the times, or they will be deposed.

WHlSKY: True and it is a do or die moment for those people. It's frustrating to see. There are so many young people, kids in their 20s and teens really pushing for what they deserve. They do deserve that freedom to choose what type of environment they wish to live in and get rid of that old oppression. Iran will improve so much as a whole if they allow these young thinkers to proceed.

ariav591: This shit is a disaster
Our people are getting hunged left and right 😢