Roe vs Wade Overturned (Page 8)

WHlSKY:
What have you done for the kids that are born, blackshoes?

I mean, if you are so emotionally driven for a stranger’s unborn that you’ve pulled out the teary eyed emojis.

How many do you plan to adopt?

So far we’ve crossed out that this is genuinely a biblical stance. Now we’ll assess if it is genuinely an emotionally attached stance.

You can chicken out as XP, no problem.

Blackshoes: You really are without any form of intellect, to conditionally think that your insult and judgment of me make any difference. It doesn't matter what you think of me You're the one promoting the Hell on earth of calling evil good.

You have never seen beyond your assumptions and will most likely continually promote the horror and genocide of killing innocents

Note also, I didn't address anything you posted. You attacked me from the very point that I had the unfortunate happenstance to have read your post so many moons ago.

Note also that you did not create this forum. So BYE.



“Please don’t kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children’s home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy!”

“By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems.”

“How can there be too many children? That is like saying there are too many flowers.”

“America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men.”

“Any country that accepts abortion is the poorest of the poor.”

Mother Teresa

laffer80: Bravo blackshoes. Mother Teresa. 🙏👍. Great comments and quotes.

It’s sad how many call evil good. Then try desperately to justify it. I’d say they are trying to placate their own conscience but in truth i’m not sure they even have one. And some get so warped in their logic i’m sure they just desperately need attention and relevance, the things they lack in real life.

In the meantime, the overturning of Roe v Wade has already begun to save lives. And no amount of whining or violence will change that. 😊🙏❤️

laffer80: And know what? Voting for Trump helped save those lives. We are already saving children by having made the right choices. 😊👍

laffer80: “There are two ways of life for man. One road leads him towards freedom and independence. It is the way of growth and maturity. The other road takes him back to security and dependence. It is the way of regression and immaturity. Man is forever making choices between these two roads.”

The Left fearfully chooses the easiest road towards security dependence regression and immaturity.

The Right bravely chooses the road - difficult or easy - towards freedom independence growth and maturity.

WHlSKY:

You feel insulted and attacked haaha what are you a child? I handled you Lori, laffer80 and XP without a fuss. Get yourself a backbone, mate.


I corrected an erroneous statement you made that the judgement was made on a lie (that she was raped). I showed you that the judgement was not based on whether she was raped or not.

Just double check on things before copy and pasting them.

—————

So, What have you done for the kids that are born, blackshoes? It’s all talk then?

WHlSKY:

The Virtue Signalling is strong in these parts.

laffer80: Blackshoes…. There you have it. More evidence.

Evil is good and lies are truth. 😊

WHlSKY:
Lil cringe watching you brown nose, laffer80. You’ve been trying to kiss ass and he has not acknowledged you. Tone it down a bit. I understand you’re excited but you’re coming on too strong.

laffer80: Jealous 🤡

😂

WHlSKY:
Of your one-sided crush? I’m just helping you out through this socially awkward phase you’re going through.

Tell him hi and start from there.

laffer80: Yup. I was right. Jealous 🤡.

Wow. Lol

Blackshoes: Opps,I had forgotten to mention before I ended with BYE !

“Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

Mark Twain

Note, Whisky ,I don't care which one of us you consider the fool. Its pointless to reason with you

WHlSKY:
Don't be a dramaqueen by announcing your departure. Just shut up like XP who still can't back up his statement with scripture.

You have yet to use any reasoning, so far you've copied and pasted 6 points off of someone else's online article. The very first one was shown to be erroneous and the rest irrelevant.

Another thing, your quote, there is no record of Twain ever saying or writing this quote. Double check.

laffer80: Anyway. Meanwhile…. We are back to normal. Back to the states! 60 million deaths later but, at long last the correction has been made. The lies getting Roe v Wade to the Supreme Court and the power grab by the Supreme Court now stands corrected.

😊👍

Blackshoes:

"Elizabeth Warren reveals how out-of-touch abortion supporters are


Now that the Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, a new panic has spread among legislators suddenly realizing that the pro-life movement has cared all along about women and about children after they are born. Their panic only gets worse when they discover that there are pregnancy help centers that offer such things as free medical treatment and supplies for the women and their babies, both before and after they are born.



Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) was recently stricken with this panic. She responded by demanding that pregnancy help centers be “shut down” across the country. The senator made outlandish claims that centers “fool” and “torture” women into carrying their pregnancies to term as they seek abortion access. She lamented that such centers outnumber abortion clinics in Massachusetts by 3 to 1.

The very goal of a pregnancy center is to support women. Since Roe was overturned, pro-abortionists have demanded that pro-life Christians help women through their pregnancies and make sure they have the resources needed to raise children and be good parents. And that’s exactly what such pregnancy centers do, and have done, in Massachusetts and across the country. These services are in high demand, and many people donate to them, which is why they outnumber abortion providers 5 to 1 across America.

I have visited many such pregnancy centers in Massachusetts, and I invite Warren to do the same so she can have pride in what her constituents are doing to help women facing unexpected pregnancies. Such visits would also lessen how out-of-touch she is with women in her own state and the free options available to them. Hopefully, the senator, although she supports abortion, would be happy to see that her great state has 33 pregnancy centers that offer free help, four shelters for pregnant women, and 10 organizations that help post-abortive women if they have any regret.

That’s 47 free alternatives — not for men, not for Republicans, not for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, but for women in her state.

I have spoken at hundreds of pregnancy center fundraising banquets over the last 15 years and many in Massachusetts. I always meet people at these events who support legal abortion yet also support pregnancy help centers. Warren’s rant and tone make her sound like she is talking about clinics that sell drugs to children or businesses that harbor sex traffickers. When you realize she is responding to free medical help and free material support for women in her own state, it reveals how out-of-touch many abortion supporters like her are. This helps explain their shock at the progress that the pro-life movement has made at the local level.

The overturning of Roe highlighted how one side of this issue has been asleep at the wheel on the grassroots level, relying instead on a decades-old decision by nine justices in a distant capital. Now that Roe is history, they want to “shut down” the good that people are doing at the local level to help women, all to serve their obsession with abortion.

By Shawn Carney
Shawn Carney is co-founder, president, and CEO of 40 Days for Life and co-author of What to Say When: The Complete New Guide to Discussing Abortion."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/marriage/elizabeth-warren-reveals-how-out-of-touch-abortion-supporters-are/ar-AA1093sV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d6276f2bebf4a9e96af884898538814

Blackshoes:
"The similarities between the Nazi and abortion Holocausts go far deeper than a high body count. There are many points of similarity between the Holocausts:

Deceptive language
Ideology formed by doctors
The speed of the murders
Philosophical justification
Pro-choice adherents usually object when pro-lifers refer to an American “abortion Holocaust.”

Sexologist Sol Gordon wrote, “In our view, individuals who exhibit the least human dignity are those who compare the Holocaust, the mass murder of 6 million Jews, to abortion. There exists no comparison more immoral or depraved. It is both illogical and outrageous….”1

The pro-choice Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice said that it “shares the outrage of our member Jewish groups and other member religious bodies over statements by persons in the anti‑choice movement equating the practice of abortion with the Nazi Holocaust.”2

If the comparison were obviously false, it should soon fall into disuse. However, if pro‑abortionists feel driven to denounce it with such vehemence, we can conclude that it is at least partially true or they wouldn’t feel so threatened by it.

However, pro-choice adherents do not respond with the same vehemence when other political platforms use the Holocaust analogy on serious issues. They did not object when Oregon environmentalists said that “Salmon were found dead in a net pen below the Ice Harbor Dam Monday, where scientists were monitoring the migration . . . . This isn’t just a case of salmon murder. It’s a Holocaust. What do we do to stop it?”3

Nor did they raise their voices in protest when Ingrid Newkirk, founder of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), compared Jews to chickens. She claimed that “When it comes to feelings, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals. They all feel pain . . . . 6 million people died in concentration camps, but 6 billion chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.”4



Abortion vs. Holocaust: The Language
George Orwell coined the term “Newspeak,” describing it as the destruction of descriptive and accurate language in support of the ideology of English Socialism, or IngSoc. He wrote, “The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of IngSoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible.”5

In Germany, the “Reich Committee for Children” murdered tens of thousands of Jewish, Gypsy, and handicapped children. The grandly‑titled “Committee for Research on Hereditary Diseases and Constitutional Susceptibility to Severe Diseases” identified those ill persons who would be eliminated. These unfortunate people were carried away to concentration camps by the “Non‑Profit Patient Transport Corporation,” and their passage was funded by the “Charitable Foundation for Institutional Care.”6

child euthanasia in nazi germany
Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany

The Nazis used a galaxy of soothing terms when referring to the extermination of Jews. These included “resettlement,” “evacuation of the infested area,” “cleansing,” “disinfection,” “special treatment” and “discharging.”7

Nazis also used dehumanizing terms to refer to those whom they wish to exterminate. Adolf Hitler referred to Jews as “maggots in a rotting corpse;” “a plague worse than the Black Death;” “mankind’s eternal germ of disunion;” “drones in the human hive;” “spiders sucking blood out of the people’s pores;” “a pack of rats eating one another;” “the eternal bloodsucker;” “the vampire of peoples;” and “a harmful bacillus that spreads,” among many other degrading terms.8

In the political realm, the Nazis attacked their opponents with such terms as “reactionaries,” a “small but vocal minority,” “terrorists” and “non-progressives.”

By comparison, current-day “women’s choice physicians” perform “evacuations of the uterine contents” or “voluntary interruptions of pregnancy” in “reproductive health centers,” and dispose of the “sub-human non-personhood,” “protoplasmic rubbish” and “human waste” in little ovens built for the purpose of disposing of late-term aborted babies.

The similarities between the words employed by the Nazis and the pro‑abortionists to label the essential elements of their respective Holocausts ― the victims, the killing, the killers, the killing places, and the opposition ― are absolutely striking.



Abortion vs. Holocaust: Medical Leadership
Another point of similarity between the Holocausts is that their philosophy and methodology was developed by qualified physicians.


The early North American pro-abortion movement was led by doctors, including Warren Hern, Bernard Nathanson, Henry Morgentaler, Willard Cates and Alan F. Guttmacher, whose language resembled very closely that of their contemporaries in Nazi Germany. For instance, Nazi doctor Fritz Klein said, “The destruction of Jews is analogous to removing a gangrenous appendix from a diseased body.” Guttmacher, a former President of Planned Parenthood and Vice-President of the American Eugenics Society, stated that: “Abortion is precisely equivalent to operating on an appendix or removing a gangrenous bowel.”

One of the earliest Nazi modifications to the German Penal Code was made by the Hamburg Eugenics Court in 1933. It reads, “A doctor may interrupt a pregnancy when it threatens the life or health of the mother. An unborn child that is likely to present hereditary and transmissible defects may be destroyed.” The American Law Institute (ALI) Model Penal Code of 1962, which was cited in the majority opinion of Roe v. Wade, used nearly identical justification: “A licensed physician is justified in terminating a pregnancy if he believes that the pregnancy would impair the physical/mental health of the mother or that the child would be born with grave physical or mental defect.”

During the Nuremberg Doctor Trial of 1947, Dr. Gebhard Rose said, “The victims of this Buchenwald typhus test [victims who were intentionally and fatally infected] did not suffer in vain and did not die in vain. People were saved by these experiments.”

In their defense of experiments on living late-term aborted babies, Drs. Willard Gaylin and Mark Lappe claimed, “In the case of abortion, the fetus is doomed to death anyhow, but perhaps its death can be ennobled when the research has as its objective the saving of the lives of other, wanted fetuses.”



Speed of Murders
Finally, both Nazi doctors and American abortionists pride themselves on their speed.

According to the Nuremberg Trials transcripts of Auschwitz doctors on trial, inmates injected with lethal doses of phenol died quickly: “Two or three prisoners in one minute.” The speediest of the phenol technicians was Josef Klehr, who “injected two prisoners at a time.”9

The famous Chicago-Sun Times series “The Abortion Profiteers” reported, “Dr. Ming K. Hah, reputed to be the fastest abortionist in Chicago… Eight abortions per hour, forty per day. His productivity rate is so impressive that he sometimes performs two abortions simultaneously.”10



The Philosophy of the Abortion Holocaust
Most importantly, we must remember that all of the expressions of the anti‑life mentality are based on a purely utilitarian ethic, where the end always justifies the means.

Adolf Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf [“My Struggle”]; “Everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.”11

In the current age, a refinement of utilitarianism called “situational ethics” is commonly accepted in the United States.

However, we must ask ourselves honestly whether killing any child is ever permissible, even for a “good reason.”

(Warning: video contains graphic material.)


One Difference…
One of the few differences between the Nazi and American Holocausts is that the ability to make the decision to kill has been delegated from the Nazi death camp (Vernichtungslager) commandants and doctors to individual citizens.

The killing still occurs on a massive scale. But instead of the murders being concentrated in just a few places, they are scattered all over the country, and the choice to abort is made by the child’s parents. From this perspective, the American Holocaust could be considered worse than the Nazi Holocaust, since many abortions are performed for reasons of personal convenience"

By Brian Clowes

Endnotes
[1] Sol Gordon. Personal Issues in Human Sexuality, page 65.

[2] Mary Jane Patterson, President of the Board of Directors of the ‘Religious’ Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC). “Abortion and the Holocaust: Twisting the Language” [RCAR, Washington, C.], 1987. This booklet is stylishly written and laid out on only the finest paper. It features five short essays by apostate `Jews’ and phony `Christians’ that are masterpieces of Doublethink and propaganda. This booklet is mandatory reading for any pro‑lifer who wants insight into just how clever pro‑abort propaganda can be.

[3] Rocky Barker’s Letter from the West. “Don’t Trust Group That Pretends to Protect Salmon.” Post Register, May 14, 1995.

[4] Ingrid Newkirk, founder and director of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), quoted by syndicated columnist Stephen Chapman in the December 6, 1989 Chicago Tribune.

[5] George Orwell. “The Principles of Newspeak: An Appendix to 1984,” written in 1948.

[6] James Tunstead Burtchaell. “The Holocaust and Abortion.” Supplement to the newsletter of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, Volume 9, Number 11.

[7] If not otherwise cited, these quotes and facts are provided in William Brennan. The Abortion Holocaust: Today’s Final Solution [Louis, Missouri: Landmark Press], 1983.

[8] Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf [“My Struggle”]. Written in 1925 and released by Trans Ralph Manheim Publishers, Boston, 1943, pages 257 and 404 and 405. Also released by Houghton, Mifflin of New York in 1971, pages 214 and 215.

[9] Bernd Naumann. Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings against Robert Karl, Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt. Translated by Jean Steinberg [New York City: Frederick A. Praeger Publishers], 1966, pages 151 and 295.

[10] Pamela Zekman and Pamela Warrick. “Dr. Ming Kow Hah: Physician of Pain.” Chicago Sun‑Times, November 15, 1978, pages 1, 4, and 5.

[11] Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf [“My Struggle”]. Written in 1925 and released by Trans Ralph Manheim Publishers, Boston, 1943, pages 257 and 404 and 405. Also released by Houghton, Mifflin of New York City in 1971, pages 214 and 215

shadowline: Honestly, why do people post comments that long? Surely it is a waste of time. No one will read them.

I would think that biology must have more to say to us on the subject of killing our own offspring than we (or at least I) have ever heard.

Is there no science of when life in the womb becomes human enough to have the fundamental right not to be killed? Is silence on the matter a demonstration that there isn't?

If we don't know at what point life in the womb becomes human and attains the most fundamental right there is, then perhaps we have to conclude that there is no such point.

Blackshoes: You don't have the attention span to read it , that doesn't mean everyone else is like you!

"Common sense isn't common "

And we do know when life begins. You can deny it all you want! However, like most killers you don't want to do the killing! You just want to justify the murders so that you don't have to feel anything for the victims.

laffer80: Blackshoes, i intend to read it. Time allowing.

Shadow: “ If we don't know at what point life in the womb becomes human and attains the most fundamental right there is, then perhaps we have to conclude that there is no such point.”

If we don’t know at what point life in the womb becomes human then perhaps there is no point TO KILL it, since you are then risking killing a human with the fundamental right to life.

For me, i have no doubt at what point human life begins and attains the right to life - when it is human and it is living. Obviously. Conception.

shadowline: I'm not sure what I sounded like to you, gaffer, but I agree with what you just said.

WHlSKY:
If you support the overthrowing of the Roe vs Wade, it only means that you are being supportive of the State acting as a middle man in the decision of abortion. It does not mean that abortion is eradicated. It only means that the State is making a for or against decision for the woman.

Nothing stops a State from being pro-Abortion. And you are thus supporting that.

laffer80: Shadow. You gave your honest opinion. That’s always welcome. Some people won’t read long posts. I understand that. I just find it’s sometimes worth it, so i will if i respect the poster. No biggie. 👍 To each their own.

Blackshoes: RE: Giving you a taste of your own medicine, Blackshoes. Save me the teary eyed emoji as I'm sure you've done nothing for any of the kids that have been born.

BUY Mirror! You arrogant self-righteous judgemental assuming scum. Oh I am bad At least I'm not a genocide manic that justifies and promotes killing babies

WHlSKY:
And me saying that the individual can decide vs the State deciding is promoting a genocide?

You are too clouded by your attempt at appearing sanctimonious.

I can equally say that you are promoting abortion by supporting the States deciding on abortion. Because just as the individual, the States can also decide to be pro-abortion.