What's wrong with having a "Ministry of Truth"? (Page 2) Lumpenproletariat: laffer80: Biden says when the 2nd Amendment was written you couldn’t own a cannon. That’s disinformation. Now what? ______________ If the "disinformation" is repeated over and over and is having a significant impact because people believe it, then it should be investigated by the "Ministry of Truth" (or whatever it's called) and a determination made as to the truth of it. So if Biden is repeating this claim and is successful in winning support for his policy by saying it, and yet it's not true, then the "Ministry of Truth" should investigate it and issue its finding, and even issue a subpoena to Biden to present his evidence. Lumpenproletariat: laffer80: Lump: That's a "DEFUND THE POLICE!" argument…. To say government must never do anything because it's the worst offender of all means eliminating the government altogether. And yet I never said “government must never do anything”. ______________ You said if the government does it, that's having the fox guard the chicken coop, because the government is the worst offender. By that argument you'd have to eliminate the government from many or most of its policing functions, because government itself is often the worst offender. Your logic is that if the government ever commits the offence, then it cannot be allowed to do that policing. So if you're now retracting that "fox guards the chicken coop" argument, we now agree: It is appropriate for the government to investigate claims people make, if it's an important public matter and there is potential damage to the public interest from the disinformation someone is spreading. ____________ laffer80: On the contrary, I’ve said the courts are legitimate. I’ve said Congress and the Executive should exist. I’ve objected only to one thing .. a Ministry of Truth. _____________ But that's what the Congress and the courts are, in part. They do have investigations into claims to determine what the truth is. So they already do what the "Ministry of Truth" would do, except not as well as it needs to be done. So you can't be in favor of having courts or Congress if you oppose the truth-seeking function that the "Ministry of Truth" would serve. Lumpenproletariat: laffer80: YOU are using the DEFUND THE POLICE argument. I object to ONE THING and you accuse me of objecting to EVERYTHING. _______________ OK, then you do not object to the "Ministry of Truth" -- you object only to it having power to arrest people for saying things or to censor speech. But you don't object to having a "Ministry of Truth" to investigate possible disinformation claims about important public matters, to determine which claims are true and which ones false, and issue its findings so that the public is better informed about it. Like a jury or court makes findings of what is true and not true.  laffer80: Lump. You’re just too dumb for me to take seriously. Saying things like “By that argument you'd have to eliminate the government from many or most of its policing functions,” is completely illogical. Which is fine, you can be illogical. But you use illogic to then put words in my mouth. No, it doesn’t follow that your illogic means i want to eliminate all of government. Lol. That’s just bizarre thinking. Lump: “So you can't be in favor of having courts or Congress if you oppose the truth-seeking function”. Yes. I can. As i repeatedly say. You are just too dumb to understand that i can, and do, and that it is very consistent with NOT being a Ministry of Truth. Lump: “But you don't object to having a "Ministry of Truth…”. Lol. Yes. I do. For the 1000th time. Ok. I’m done. You’re only trying to convince me what i think. Lol Feel free to go on and on telling me what i believe and what i want. I’ll just sit back and laugh. Lol. Have fun. 😉  freedomfirst1797: Having a "Ministry of Truth" sounds like a good idea... but only when you are in charge. If the opposition is running things, then it isn't something you want to see. Both parties are guilty of this. The Democrats called dissent "an act of patriotism" when they were the minority party..... but once they gained the majority they started calling it "an act of treason." Both parties would ban books if they could. They would just ban different books, based on their political beliefs. And it always amazes me how some people can think that the Constitution is sacrosanct.... except for the 1st and 2nd Amendments. And how others feel the U.S. Supreme Court should have the final say..... unless they disagree with their decision. Then they want to pack the court! laffer80: Big toe. 😂😂😂😂😂. So true. Freedom, comments like “Both parties are guilty” is like saying both God and the Devil are the same cuz both want to be in charge. 😂 WHlSKY: Freedom’s comments are not far fetch or laughable. The comparison of God and the devil is naive. As God is portrayed as uniquely infallible, a political party is not. The right/conservatives are & has been capable of misinformation, blocking off information etc as the left. We have seen examples of the far right (Nazism/fascism) and the fat left (Stalinism) being authoritarian in hiding/preventing truths from being out. Take even a small example of you, laffer80, when I commented on your picture (the one you stole of a rl rape victim and falsified her information into a meme), you deleted that comment which showed the rape victim’s name and true story. If a small scale person like yourself can do that deceitful act imagine for those who have more at stake like a Government. Political parties are not infallible. Something like a ‘Ministry of Truth’ will have to have strong transparency for the general public to monitor. Or some strong accountability. Like approaching information in a way that peer review papers are approached. Must have strong backing or evidence and scrutinised. laffer80: Hmmm. The NWO still has some work to do. ITALY Globalist former European Central Bank chief Italian premier “Super Mario” Draghi resigned Thursday. HUNGARY 1 Lawmakers in Hungary voted 130 to 50 in favour of a resolution that mandates the country’s government to push for a number of structural reforms at the EU level, including a rework of the union’s parliament, as well as to make the bloc adopt “Christian roots and culture”. The passed resolution also mandates the country’s government to force the union to hand back powers to individual member states, as well as take an ideologically neutral stance in its operations at a time when the union is desperately trying to push for further “EU Empire” style federalisation. HUNGARY 2 Hungary has thrown cold water on the European Union’s plan to adopt a 15% corporate minimum tax, dealing a blow to EU leadership and the Biden administration. Hungary’s veto effectively blocks the measure from moving forward. The plan is part of a broader push for a global minimum tax, which has support from President Joe Biden and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. The proposal was agreed to last October by nearly 140 countries Brandon’s “consequences”... The Treasury Department announced that it is terminating its tax treaty with Hungary, the sole European Union member that has defied U.S. and EU calls to agree to a global corporate minimum tax. Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said Wednesday that Secretary of State Antony Blinken had threatened to pull the tax treaty with Hungary over Hungary's veto of the tax plan. “When I had conversations with your secretary of state… he made it very clear that might be among the consequences. And basically, they delivered.” Poor NWO. They just want to be loved. They don’t want to force or dictate anything just because they are elite. They don’t want to gain ever more control, money and power over the people of the world or the producers of the world by imposing higher taxes. Nooooooo. It’s all for us, THE PEOPLE. 🙄 laffer80: Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán will speak at the Conservative Politic Action Conference (CPAC) in Texas next month. CPAC statement: Viktor Orbán is the “leading voice” in Europe fighting for his people and “everyone who believes in national sovereignty. He and President Trump forged a special relationship since they both understand that we should not be controlled by the [United Nations], the [European Union], radical, woke corporatists or the billionaires who think regular people cannot be trusted to make their own decisions.” I love how the countries that have thrown off the yoke of communism are leading the way for others - like the USA - to avoid the communist yoke and the NWO yoke. 👍 laffer80: The Ministry of Truth: We have had 2 consecutive quarters of GDP contraction but we are NOT in a recession. Anyone who says otherwise will be shot. 😂 margaret32: Its Fascist or Communist, its lies, propaganda, hate, death. Truth is truth, there is NO my truth, my truth is lies. Truth sometimes hurts or offends but like democracy get rid create a Ministry of Truth and your back in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia/China/North Korea. There was a time when at least some politicians were honest and had integrity but today right, left and centre are anti truth, corrupt self serving, there is no truth for them only power and profit.
freedomfirst1797: It is hard to tell what truth is now that facts no longer matter. All truths are now based on political spin. So Chuck Schumer can complain about Trump not doing enough to lower gas prices when gasoline was $2.96 a gallon, but now praised Biden for keeping gasoline under $5 a gallon. And idiot Biden takes a victory lap, and brags about how he brought the price down by 30 cents a gallon, even though last week he told us that "the President has nothing to do with gas prices." (Unless they go down... in which case he gets all the credit.) margaret32: Only difference the right are not hypocritical. As for the left, in UK they dont exist, its a choice between two brain dead liberal party's. (Edited by margaret32) laffer80: I still don’t see the right denying truth. Hmmm. Should i change my mind after the 100th accusation? 🤔 Lol. No. freedomfirst1797: laffer... the right does it too.... but it is just not as often. Which makes it easy to find examples of leftwing hipocrisy, and a bit harder to find it on the right. But it is still out there, just not in the same massive amount as the leftists have. And this is because the people on the right have a sense of shame, and people on the left have none. margaret32: Need a politician/leader who is both right and left on different issues but never in million years a liberal, their the biggest clueless hypocrites on the planet. laffer80: Well. In my opinion, conservative is always right. So to me, a politician/leader who is always “right” on every issue works for me. 😊👍 The UK never seems to get such a leader. The politicians have stacked the deck against them. The conservative party never gets to vote for the leader they truly support. The politicians don’t allow it. Maybe it’s time to change how the system works. Idk. WHlSKY: It's only hard to find right-wing hypocrisy when you are a right-wing sheeple. The entire stance of USA conservatives shows hypocrisy to a great extent because because they claim to following the bible whilst doing so selectively on matters. At least the left-wing in the US are hypocrites on their own accord. Simple examples: - Being pro-guns & claiming to be pro-life for the children (as of 2020, it is the #1 leading cause of death in children 0 - 19, I'm yet to see the conservatives make an adjustment to this data, so far those I've presented it to have ignored the data and gone quiet.) -Claiming to be for Individual Freedom & Limited Government (yet wish to have the State decide if women should get to choose or not choose matters that affects them physically. Note the State deciding this, not the individual. And the States came to different conclusions some for, some against). ____________________ This moral high ground taken because an individual is of a certain political spectrum is laughable and shows a naive approach to politics. Rightwing leaders, Leftwing leaders have all shown to be the same. In Trump's 4 year presidency alone, there were 30,573 false or misleading claims. That is 30,573 examples from just one man. Take your pick. | Politics Chat Room 79 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
