Housing or Finance?

swampandfire
swampandfire: What is politically more important?
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swampandfire
swampandfire: I think housing is more important politically on the basis that the more people in homes the more stabler the population, and therefore money is worth more

the dependent variable is money
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swampandfire
swampandfire: Because people are more peaceful when they have roofs over their heads
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
Can you expand a bit.

What are you defining as housing (will renting be included? is it person who have completed their purchase of a house or those with mortgages?). Politically more important in what ways?

Thanks.
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swampandfire
swampandfire: I could be loose, take the example of a scare campaign , it doesn't have merit. I am using the issue of housing in a utopian sense, for the debate.

But when push comes to shove , houses are the most secure form of wealth in advanced society, my argument is houses are more important than money. And I think economic theory supports this assumption. Yet there are those who struggle to find housing.

Under my estimate it is housing that is more sacred than money, or finance. Thats my point

How far does morality get us ie. punishing those who run astray? I mean pushing people out of the housing market whether it be rent or purchase . I don't think that is wise.

Although that my be an issue of criminal justice? Politics should be for the people!

Finance is not a political issue.
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The giant midget
The giant midget: Housing should never ever be a political issue.
Promises while campaigning,political parties only concentrate on the social programs because they are easy to sell to the vast majority of the people.everyone wants everything for free.

I personally want my government just to build more hospitals,more schools,more roads more airports,.
I personally want my government to pay down the deficit,secure our borders,invest in technology,allow our natural resources to be exploited by our own national corporations .

I personally want my government to remove all its foreign aid,

Governments should never get involved in housing policies,that's the job of free enterprise

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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
I’d say land is the most secured form of wealth but okay.

I’m having a hard time grasping fully what you mean but I think I get the gist of it.

I’m not sure how ‘government housing’ has worked out in various countries but having lived on an island that had that government housing programme I would say it breeds corruption. There are many houses that are abandoned and not built properly, and of those that are occupied -the majority got it from corrupt means. In the end, those in need rarely get the assistance.

Your point on the importance of housing, I agree, it is important for people to feel secured and the stability is necessary. I’m not sure the government housing programmes are the way to go about it though.

I’d more likely encourage young people to join a credit union and invest that way. Purchase land and build their home in parts.
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swampandfire
swampandfire: If you break it down there are those who worked and got a house , and those who need a house to work.

It seems to be a domestic issue and I agree with the corruption hypothesis, but that is complicated, where I live. It's not all that.

The truth is I think that people are safer when in a secure environment, in all respects. Having come from a position where a steady home has been difficult , my perspective is biased. Whether that should be a political issue ? The humanities are hard as nails when you boil them down, not everyone understands it, and you have to put yourself first.

I'm undecided. But a lot of pain can come of it.

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swampandfire
swampandfire: i think i am referring to government sponsored housing as in government owned and it occurred to me that yes the houses need to be paid for. and that would create a state owned asset base which is exactly the opposite of what the state wants nowadays. the reasons for that are manifold and not worth arguing , other than to say the government wants people to do it themselves. still this seems like it should be a political issue. but anyhow the state would own the houses, so the question remains would the value of the dollar increase. and there is a strong argument that it wouldn't due to the loss involved with government owned housing , but in some cases it would. and that involves morality.

the situation seems to be on a cusp, it could go one or another way. and in the world political situation this is reflected. but, if its a moral issue then the answer lies with us. and fending it off is just an excuse.

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The giant midget
The giant midget: Goverment sponsored or owned housing projects just breeds crime and dependencies on social sponsored social programs
Names that comes to mind atm is Gettos, Slumps, the Projects ,drug haven,shotgun row.,bullete towers
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swampandfire
swampandfire: The bigger the balance sheet the better. It mobilises people to act as citizens in a society doing and keeping themselves as required. Cut that down and you cut down the soul.

Having a home is the essence of forgiveness, pardon the abstraction. It should be a constitutional right!

Value should increase if it's truly valued.
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swampandfire
swampandfire: I see that would make us a theodicy , which obviously disappeared a long time ago with the separation of church and state. (I've never studied that).

Makes you think though, Christianity in a negative aspect can be easily confused for an evil. Whereas it has nothing to do with the equation. It's a state matter. Even so housing could be a political issue if it was backed by consensus. Consensus being the prime requirement. Money is a powerful force and I think it is traced to a person(s) people.

Sometimes it's easy to confuse religion with normalcy. That said.

Housing, falls into a personal issue and , a state issue. The reality is the scarcer resources become the harder it is going to get to own a home. and at some point the tipping scale will tip and it will become a political issue. If it doesn't a lot of people will be living in their rubbish.

Charity is a virtue...
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swampandfire
swampandfire: But it begs the question - how do you solve the housing crisis?
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swampandfire
swampandfire: Is the answer Nationalism - the political derivative that comes from nationalism? How do you belong to a Nation. Which involves a sense of collective spirit. The people who need housing are generally the ones who don't fit in, generally. But is nationalism a club? The argument that finance is not a political issue is pressing. Its maths. If consensus is the prerequisite for politics then its the strength of the issue that matters, some people go beyond redemption, but a series of decisions have led them there! This series could be interrupted at any point along the line, policies a humanity would do this - so the argument that housing should be a political issue is strong , what is more pressing than housing for a person(s).

Even to religionise the issue is beside the point - people need secure housing.

Which leaves the issue of criminality. And the hands are warming up as we speak from rubbing together on this matter. So where does it leave us. Work. Can we work smarter?
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swampandfire
swampandfire: In a globalised world a collective national spirit would be very difficult,
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swampandfire
swampandfire: International migration and national schisms would predominate matters
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swampandfire
swampandfire: Not to mention that the resources industry is founded on the earth's natural wealth,
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swampandfire
swampandfire: If the economy can't accomodate let's say the bottom 10% then they would be better off in housing with modest incomes. Without overloading!! Why is it better to raise interest rates and make the world pay??

The issue is corruption. How else do you explain it?

When inflation goes up unemployment goes down, what 's the missing link?

Its the medium of the home.
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swampandfire
swampandfire: We need independent crime and corruption investigatory bodies who hold public trials to help curtail this problem
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swampandfire
swampandfire: then it would be politically more important
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