Why did Russia Invaded Ukraine and what it means to the World? (Page 281) freedomfirst1797: I bet those Russian mothers would rather have their sons come home alive, rather than getting some Ukrainian mother's washing machine. But the Putin Fan Club will tell you otherwise. Or at least they would cleverly change the subject to "school shootings in Oklahoma".... freedomfirst1797: Kitty.... no sensible person would use nukes, because when that happens everyone loses. But remember, we are talking about a desperate old man who is already dying from cancer, and not about a sensible person. This is a man who has so badly miscalculated that it will take Russia 50 years to recover from the damage he has inflicted on his own nation. But that is just my view. One of his fans would tell you that he is "polite, well mannered, and well educated" and all those photos you have seen of dead Ukrainians were simply faked by the CIA or NATO. They truly believe that the Ukrainians bombed THEMSELVES in order to "frame Putin." And that the entire civilized world is wrong, and Russia and Belarus are right.  Blackshoes: " We seek no conquest, we stand for peace I hate WAR " Great words! Unfortunately they're are those, that are determined to KILL US ALL  Ecclesiastes 1:9 9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. Nothing changes ! (Edited by Blackshoes) Blackshoes: IMO If you need to kill your owns soldiers because they don't want to fight? You've already lost https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dramatic-video-shows-a-russian-soldier-being-shot-at-by-his-own-side-as-he-tries-to-surrender-to-a-drone-ukrainian-official-says/ar-AA1b3Fj5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0a785a78c12148a7bf7b613633b75a97&ei=12  Account Closed: Tonight (8 hours ago), during one of the alarms, fighters of the 31st brigade of the NSU shot down an unmanned aerial vehicle designed for reconnaissance, which was launched by the Russians, in the sky. During the inspection of the drone, it was discovered that it contained an explosive substance. twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1656645833394102273?cxt=HHwWgoCxofamy_0tAAAA Account Closed: Russia’s uniformed and paramilitary forces appear to be in a state of panic as Ukraine begins advances on the strategic city. By Paul D. Shinkman Russian uniformed forces abandoned their positions in the face of a Ukrainian counterattack around the embattled city of Bakhmut in the country’s east, Moscow confirmed Friday. Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for Russia's defense minister, confirmed that troops in at least one area fell back during a large-scale tank assault that Ukrainian forces launched on Friday. Ukraine’s maneuver reportedly involved 1,000 troops and 40 tanks – the largest assault since late last year. Full Article- https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-05-12/russians-flee-as-ukraine-advances-on-bakhmut-wagner-leader Account Closed: Ukraine says it has retaken territory near embattled eastern city of Bakhmut Story by SAMYA KULLAB • 1h ago krainian military commanders said Friday that their troops had recaptured more territory from Russian forces at the scene of the war’s longest and bloodiest battle, for the eastern city of Bakhmut, but it wasn’t clear if this marked the start of Kyiv’s long-expected counteroffensive. Russia's Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said Ukrainian forces had stepped up attacks north of the region while denying speculation by Russian military bloggers that the Kyiv forces had achieved “defense breakthroughs.” Full Article- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-says-it-has-retaken-territory-near-embattled-eastern-city-of-bakhmut/ar-AA1b7B1F?  kittybobo34: Something like a mile and a half. Russian soldiers start running as soon as the Ukrainians press the attack. Blackshoes: I felt then, as I feel now, that the politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organizing nothing better than legalized mass murder. Harry Patch James 4:1-4 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (Edited by Blackshoes) kittybobo34: There was a time when that was the way it happened. The leaders of both armies fought it out. Sadly that tradition has passed.  GeraldtheGnome: “Kid, leave God out of this.” Riddick.. No one took ‘us’ to war. Did you go to war Bob ? Leave out Bible quotes about an imaginary god that you think is real who if he was ever around was a mass murderer and ordered mass murders that were carried out. Your high moral ground worshipping the one you think is around is highly hypocritical and ridiculous. Harry Patch also was an idiot if he came out with those words, the grey area must be considered but you need to use your grey matter as much as possible to understand that. Leave out religion from political forums. Yes though I do think that Vladimir Putin went to battle himself and ended up dead because of that. Your god named God is imaginary. Russia is a country, it is not a person or an entire national population, nor is The Ukraine. The world is just a planet, it is not the entire Human population. That means that Russia did nothing to The Ukraine and it in a way means nothing to the world. I used to work for Russians, most of them were and still are against Vladimir Putin. The one that didn’t though, the two faced bastard, was and still is a Vladimir Putin fan. I just kept what I thought about Vladimir Putin to myself whenever he said, with his bad version of English heard clearly by me, “Everybody love Putin.” He was built like Zangief from Street Fighter, a very strong, tall, broad shouldered Russian that may have killed me if he heard what I thought at the time about Vladimir Putin. He also had an odd habit of drinking and having a chat with each chat, he’d get me to take part in it on occasion which almost got me drunk. His mates and most over Russians are and were against Vladimir Putin and his dictatorial regime. If every Ukrainian did nothing then the whole country would be under Russian control. Now every leader of every country that would like to go against the Russian military directly by sending a military are too afraid to go against the Russians except for one leader who had the guts to go against Vladimir Putin’s way of thinking. Meanwhile more than one leader has decided to be an official military provider to the Ukrainians. A bit like the way United States Government Policy was for the bulk of World War One and World War Two where the Presidents during those times deliberately kept out the military for as long as they wanted to while others suffered too much for too long due to that. That is now what is happening by leaders of many countries. Only Yanks matter was and still is a long held policy, when it kind of wasn’t though then most of that time careless military approaches were used. Many people of The (claimed) United States of America are only concerned about their own backyard. So with that way of thinking would everyone hope can just only military aid to those in The United States in the future if it gets invaded. that’s basically what’s happening in regards to The Ukraine. It’s cold comfort for them just getting military aid and training. It’s so easy to answer yes that it is all that they need from the comfort of the home or apartment that you live in where there’s no near future chance at least that a missile or a bomb may kill you in the place that you live at. I’m not impressed by a current ‘world tour’ though, his people need him back in The Ukraine if he is not already there. Blackshoes: Psalm 14:1-3 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Blackshoes: Isaiah 2:4 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. It would a pleasure and dream that all nations could simply grow out of their immaturity and outlaw All WARS! Isaiah 25:8 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. “War is organized murder and nothing else” “Irrespective of the uniforms we wore, we were all victims” Harry Patch, The Last Fighting Tommy: RIP The Oldest Surviving Veteran of the Trenches of WW1 (Edited by Blackshoes) Blackshoes: WOW Very impressive the amount of thievery that happens during war. Jessie James and his brother Frank learned their craft, during the civil war while members of Confederate army ( He and his brother Frank James joined pro-Confederate guerrillas known as "bushwhackers" operating in Missouri and Kansas during the American Civil War. As followers of William Quantrill and "Bloody Bill" Anderson, they were accused of committing atrocities against Union soldiers and civilian abolitionists, including the Centralia Massacre in 1864.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_James It seems the Russians are victims of the same types that they embrace https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hacker-drains-russian-special-services-wallets-transfers-funds-to-ukraine/ar-AA1coSGt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c994d3073a3341dda7bf75529bfb2189&ei=10 (Edited by Blackshoes) GeraldtheGnome: United States Government policy time and time again was to make money off warfare, for there to be a profitable outcome for doing so, World War Two in particular was a great example of that. The we will only declare war if they pee in our backyard or pee us off personally in some other way was a United States Government attitude for two world wars. This meant that whilst innocent people were getting killed, while the most vile war crimes were committed by the worst of the soldiers of the enemy government, The United States Government let the invasions go on where the only counter they had to it was getting money by selling weapons and so on to the Biritish. So instead of the actual military help, beyond weapons and supplies, there was none. Things lasted longer because there was no extra military help that was needed. I mean as in boots on the ground, planes in the air and vessels out at sea. Sure, some went on about the imaginary ideal of peace rather than the reality of aiming for a calm and tranquil end by bringing about the best realistic outcome possible but that doesn't work. Considering how long after the war The United States Government and so on (of opposing sides) held onto various areas that were liberated from Germans it is really a case that no matter what Roosevelt said at the time he was alive didn't matter because it became a conquest over the Japanese and so on. So Bob. You are you going to quote from your 1769 AD King James Bible of The Age of Enlightenment with the 'original words' brought about by God and Jesus ? For a start fool the first known version of one of your favourite passages is from centuries after the claimed Jesus existed. Well over 1000 years before your favourite Bible. Newsflash, he doesn't exist and he never existed. The name of the Author was in Koine Greek as was every name in the first known version. Here's the version of the name that you corruptly refer to as The Gospel of James. 'Where [ ] among you [ ] ? [ ] murder and [ ]. You' don't have because [ ] don't [ ]. You ask [ ] don't [ ] you ask [ ]. [ ] the [ ]. It's a bit like the former game show Blankety Blanks where you in this case have to guess what the first words were in the first known version of the chapter and verses from the book. There was no name of any author on the earliest versions of any book of what now makes up The Bible, nor was there even the name of one title, there were no chapter numbers and there were no verse numbers. I just showed it the way it was translated into English. The papyrus that looks like it was eaten in sections by insects, something that you notice with all scrolls and other manuscripts a bit after it. Sure, there were some exceptions. Anyway Papyrus 100 was written in 250 AD or 350 AD or some year in between those years. It has been suggested that it was written in 300 AD which is most likely true. It's claim to be by James but no one knows who wrote any of it, it wasn't by anyone named James though. Go to Google Translate and type in the name James to find out what the closest thing to it is in Greek. Also there is no Hebrew or Aramaic name like James or like that of any Greek name. Even Jesus is made up and it's not a name in Hebrew or Aramaic, nor is God. Two imaginary gods, that is what they are. So your Book of James, chapter four, verses one to four mean nothing Bob. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus100.htm The Book of Isaiah, chapter two, verse four has just the same problem as the last bit I just mentioned. This time though it's from The Dead Sea Scrolls and at least it is written in Hebrew. 'He will judge between (those of) each nation and will decide between many people and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their and their spears into pruning hooks and (those of each) nation shall not lift up (a) sword against (those of another) nation, neither shall they learn (about) war any more.' I did alter that one a bit, not by too much though, I added words into the brackets so it made sense. The first known about and still intact version is from 150 BC or 100 BC or in some year in between them other than 125 BC. It is from the Qumran Cave, West Bank, The Palestinian Territories, The New Testament stuff though is from Egypt. http://dssenglishbible.com/scroll1QIsaa.htm Unlike you Bob, I don't live in the land of dreams, wars will go on regardless of what anyone does, I wish it was not so but it is realistic. Nations are not life forms, Vladimir Putin (who just like you picks and chooses Bible verses and what information should be seen by others) loves to corrupt the first known words of the verses for his own benefit. There are heaps of verses for wars ordered by Yahweh and so on. There are verses where he is for forced abortions and verses where he is against abortions, verses where he orders them, also of just generic murder and other atrocities. There is also a bit where the claimed son of a god was for a millstone being tied around the neck of a man and where the man is to be drowned in a large body of water if a man or even a woman (I guess) told a child that he is not real. The thing is that each religious god and goddess is imaginary. Christ is made up. There are also verses where rape is ordered and is acceptable. The good book ? Fortunately most of it is a bizarre and sick fantasy. All capitals in a word is just wrong, I prefer to use a space before an exclamation mark. Now for your Book of Isaiah, chapter 25, verse eight. 'He has swallowed up death forever ! The Lord Yahweh will wipe away tears from off all faces. He will take the reproach of his people away from off all the earth for Yahweh has spoken it.' That at least is similar to what you had, it's also in the 1Q scroll that I left a website address on here to. Notice though that the name God was not used once. The name God only was first used roughly 1000 years later in what is now England in The United Kingdom. Your version also is in Early Modern English, God originally was an Early English name. War is not organized murder, it is also nothing that I wish for. Not everyone in a uniform was a victim, yet every victim of war was and still is someone of the military in regards to what you brought up. Harry Patch, while he was alive did think that he was an organized murderer as was everyone else who was in the military ? How dare he if he thought that, if he did then it is good that the old bastard is dead. I'm sure that everyone in any military who wasn't there to enjoy taking lives when lives were taken really love being traitorously called by a serviceman or anyone else a murderer. Disgustingly you think that they are. Shame on you, you are a vile, low life, good for nothing, unethical, immoral, selfish, self centred narcissistic prick who is a waste of oxygen. In many cases people did come to the aid of others, in some other cases it was defence and in other cases they were damned if they do and damned if they don't. Your typical insular way of thinking is shared by some other pathetic people of your country, ironically some of them carry a gun around everywhere for no good reason and don't want gun control or restrictions. Servicemen that served with Harry Patch deserved respect from Harry Patch, not labelled as murderers. You yourself should have a good look in the mirror. People in the Ukraine fighting are not murderers except for those that committed war crimes. Here lately there is the Ben Robert Smith story, a twisted tale of a Victoria Cross winning soldier who has now been found guilty of war crimes, he is a murderer and an ex-soldier. Also what you are too thick to understand is that there is a grey/gray area, you have a black and white approach to everything. It explains your very dumb approach to things about the origin of life. No one knows what bloody happened that brought about life and no one will ever know. It didn't happen by even one moment of magic like you think, that is for sure. This is not about religion this forum, the word also is theft, not thievery. It's not about Jesse James, it's not about some disgusting now dead soldier that vilified all of the military including himself. It's not about the Confederate Army of a Civil War. It's about the Russians, Vladimir who needs a bullet between the eyes Putin and The Ukrainian War. You didn't always use a full stop either. I don't give a flying f@*% on this Forum about Jesse James. Sometimes quotation marks are not needed. I've worked with and for Russians, I can't tell you that it was always a good thing, anyway to claim that all Russians are victims or arseholes is wrong of anyone to claim, there are good and bad Russians in Russia and elsewhere else. Some of the good and bad Russians, whether they want to be there or not, are fighting against a lot of Ukrainians at the moment. Every taken bit of The Ukraine (which includes Crimea) that is now held for or taken directly by any Russians should end up as a part of The Ukraine and the war that the creep wanted should end. The sooner the better. Too many deaths and too many other bad things have happened because of it. Everyone outside of The Ukraine that can help, as in Governments, are too gutless because they are too afraid of The Russians. Well at least The Ukrainians have the guts to go against them, they have even taken some areas off the Russians. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome) Blackshoes: Desertion has become a documented problem in Russia's forces in Ukraine. In November 2022, the British Defense Ministry said Kremlin generals may have sanctioned the use of weapons against deserters, "including possibly authorizing shooting to kill such defaulters after a warning had been given." All armies kill their own to enforce order. Yet, It's a scale of truly wrong to do so! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-soldiers-fleeing-front-line-in-face-of-counteroffensive-ukraine/ar-AA1cHiGN?ocid=windirect&cvid=9ae4623ab7b04f6698b110c54df53e3f&ei=8  Sir Loin: True Gerald, I've known many very nice Russian blokes but I've also had dealings with the Russian Mafia, mighty scary at times, there's a culture of no conscience there with no thought given to consequences or impacts on others. I had to give one of their killers a thrashing for robbing a beggar I'd just given a few $ to. Yet I worked with a little gay Russian teacher in China, very gentle and pleasant bloke. So both good and bad. Russian women are in a class of their own of course freedomfirst1797: While it might be true that "all armies kill their own to enforce order"... in civilized nations this means "after a court martial and a jury finds them guilty of desertion." But for Russia this means "the mercenaries in the second line will shoot the Russian soldiers in the front line when they leave their posts." You see, Russia is no longer a civilized nation. It once was, but Putin has changed a lot of things. And this is precisely why his cowardly fans love him so much.... from the comfort and safety of Malaysia and Australia.  TheloniousSphereMonk: America executed a single soldier for desertion during WWII and not one since. The USSR killed tens of thousands of their own. After the war, their returning POW's were treated like traitors were horribly mistreated. Looks like Putin is in favor of keeping this tradition alive. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik (Edited by TheloniousSphereMonk)  Fractured fairy tale: They Hate putin cos he Won"t Fly there Rainbow Flag And Run Around playing Drag Queens like Yankie doodle Biden and band of Sickofants do (Edited by Fractured fairy tale) freedomfirst1797: Right... it is the rainbow flag thing.... it has nothing to do with Putin murdering women and children, invading neighbors, and annexing their territory. It is all about some silly flag.... | Politics Chat Room 26 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
