To Vax or not to Vax?

WHlSKY
WHlSKY: To vax or not to vax, that is the question. Your postings will not be deleted. And we can have an open dialogue with questions, etc. Hopefully we will all be mature adults and can handle this tense topic. It’s just a forum, and does not affect the world’s situation but personally maybe we might learn how the other side is thinking or clear any misconceptions.

Why did you choose NOT to get any of the COVID-19 vaccines?

Or

Why did you choose to get a COVID-19 vaccine?

Did you also have a vaccine preference?

Share your thought process openly.
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
I took the Sinopharm after debating whether to take any new vaccine. As a breadwinner I’m the one outside of the home a lot and I have to interact with the public. I didn’t want to bring home a mess.

After taking the vaccine, I still maintain the cleanliness of washing hands and leaving my clothes outside the home & showering as I reach home.

Did some reading beforehand on the Sinopharm and it seemed fine. Also did a routine checkup. It serves a purpose. It was also the most available one and I did not have much knowledge at the time of the mrna technique.

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Mistress MAYHEM
Mistress MAYHEM: Greetings Malvado! A refreshing premise for forum here. Hopefully it will remain without disrespect to anyone.

My take on this whole covid 19 issue was to remain safe however possible. I was rather shocked by how quickly it all was presented. Also surprised to learn I am part of the "essential workers" group.

Fast forward to when vaccines were being offered. I made numerous attempts to schedule vaccine for my husband who, at age 70, has been in poor health for a number of years. It would not be practical to have to drive a long way and/or wait a long time to get him vaccinated. He was eligible due to his age, but I was not yet. At the time they were only vaccinating older and at risk groups of people.

After several tries I was successful in getting him appointment. He got Pfizer. They customarily schedule the 2nd dose in relation to the 1st dose. He had only minor side effects, similar to side effects from flu vaccines.

Later when they opened appointments for all adults I got Moderna, 2 doses as recommended and also minor side effects.

We still take all precautions however, as nothing is 100% effective.

Years ago my mom worked in hospital and instilled in me the importance of cleanliness and keeping your body healthy including appropriate vaccines. I had no hesitation with the covid 19 vaccines. In my opinion, just as important and valuable as any other health measures.
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
He’s doing alright though?

My mother can’t take any at this time, the doctor recommended not to until she is fully in adequate health. Those who are around her are vaccinated and she stays at her home.

True, it’s important to not get distracted and focus on the issue. I grew up too familiar with vaccination.

I think that some do not trust vaccination or the COVID-19 vaccines. While others have political reasons or conspiracy reasons. It looks like it varies. A person should double check on the basics on what vaccines are meant to do. And then check directly on what the COVID-19 vaccines do. As personal project even.

Idk the world is changing up. Everything is becoming politicalised and politicians are doing too much talking vs working with persons who studied the matter. They’re drawing political lines even in this health matter. And not to mention the misinformation out there… it’s like we’re reinventing the wheel.



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Mistress MAYHEM
Mistress MAYHEM: He's ok now. Still healing from surgery. Problem is he feels ok until he's seriously ill then ends up needing ER. But that's another story.

Maybe the world is changing and seems Covid 19 is something new. I have more confidence in experienced doctors and scientists than some video someone posted on YouTube who knows literally nothing about any of this. Yet some people would rather trust them than a knowledgeable person 🤔 Doesn't help that from what I have researched it's the unvaccinated that spread more and are more cause of the variants and take up more space in hospitals by being more ill.

It was sad to see at 1 point when my husband was in hospital they had to treat him in the hallway of the ER because all the rooms were full and waited longer for accommodations because of over-full capacity. Also waited longer to be transferred to nursing care after because of not enough space there. So I can't speak for anyone else but it seems obvious to me the health care system is overburdened.

I, myself, was furloughed from work when a coworker tested positive on the job because I am over 60. Until they could be certain it was safe at work. I feel fortunate they test us once a week at work. It's mandatory testing.

The people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons. I have sympathy for. The uninformed, less sympathy as they run their mouths and act so defiant.

We took whatever vaccine was available at the time we could get appointments. That's the reason for which vaccines we got.
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Nicotina
Nicotina: Absolutely got vaccinated and will be getting the booster when eligible. My family all had Pfizer and there were some side effects. I had a bit of a racing heart and felt as though I couldn't breathe. As a person with asthma I've had experience with the sensation of not being able to breathe and was able to remain calm. Strangely I was able to take deep breaths, for which I was grateful. Felt like a flu for a few days but nothing major. If my body reacts like that to the vaccination, I daren't imagine how frightening Covid is.

Pfizer was our preference due to it being more effective than the other options. It was also the vaccination that was available when we were in the group that was eligible. We discussed the options as a family and if Moderna was available that would have been our second choice.

Others have mentioned those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons and that was a large part of why I got vaccinated. As a society we must protect the most vulnerable amongst us.
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Kojensa
Kojensa: Risks and benefits of vax show that the benefits are more than the risks for most people.

Looking at the number of Covid deaths vs Covid vax deaths the number of deaths by Covid is huge way more than deaths by Covid vax

Looking at Covid vax side effects the number is even more rare

Of course IF I am not able to take Covid vax due to medical condition then my risks outweigh my benefits in this case

To vax or not to vax...the answer is be vax be vaccinated
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: The Pfizer vaccine is the only one readily available in NZ, supplied free by our govt.ive had 2 jabs and will have a booster in 2 months.
Antivaxxers are deluded conspiracy theorists who will perpetuate this virus as it will mutate in their bodies and be able the break through immunities.
I support the govts policy of curtailing some freedoms for unvaxxed people
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WonderWoman1
WonderWoman1: If all had been vaccinated it would not spread and mutate like wildfire...I think Moderna is a good vaccine they are the ones who made the first vaccine I think when covid Sars started in 2003 in China..
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: There have been NO deaths from the vaccine in NZ, only a few mild side effects. Have there been any deaths in other countries or is that all bullshit made up by conspiracy theorists?
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Kojensa
Kojensa: Sadly anti vaxxers are immune against facts
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Kojensa
Kojensa: Loin, there have been deaths from Covid vaccines but very low compare to deaths from Covid viruses (From all combination of the Covid variants)
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Kojensa
Kojensa: This is one of the fact that Covid vaxxers are immune to. The fact that Covid killing more people than Covid vaccines

They keeps asking if Covid vaccines are so effective why Covid is still around.

No one said Covid vaccines are 100% effective, anti vaxxers are the one making that claimed that vaccine should protect from Covid 100%
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: None in NZ Kojensa. For those asking why we still have covid, it's pretty obvious because they won't have the vaccine and are spreading the virus, allowing it to mutate
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Kojensa
Kojensa: Loin, that is a good record for NZ. Hope you guys keep that record as long as possible.

Yes viruses mutated faster without vaccines because they have more hosts (people) to mutate with
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Wild__
Wild__: I have NOT been vaccinated.

I read up a lot early on and found that the mRNA to be experimental by itself in addition to the fact that the average vaccine takes ten years to develop, I chose to wait and see how it affects others.

To date I know two people that have died of heart attacks almost immediately after getting vaxed and two other people that have serious side affects that may be long term. We don't know yet.

I'll continue to wait and see...
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Kojensa
Kojensa: Loin, you are correct. I checked again whether there is any scientific evidence of death directly connected to any of the various Covid vaccines. There is none so far.

"...none of these have been linked directly to a COVID-19 vaccine..

...clinicians are prioritizing vaccines largely for a population of older people with underlying health conditions. Most of those who have died after vaccination have been in this group, according to reports from the United Kingdom and the United States."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00290-x



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Kojensa
Kojensa: To date I have know 40 plus people personally who are Covid free and have not die or have any severe side effects other than sore spot on the injection site.

9.25 billion doses have been administered globally as of 5th January 2022

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Yes I read up a lot as well. All the pro vaccines will said they are safe looking at scientific data. And all anti Covid vaxxers will said they are not safe according to hearsay...he said that she said that they said...try and see if you can trace it back to the original source if possible.

Anti Vaxxers (either of all vaccines or just Covid vaccines) made so many claimed and accusations but do not give any references

MOST PEOPLE WHO DIE FROM COVID ARE NOT VACCINATED

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

The data covers Australia, US, England, Chile, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Northern Ireland, Slovenia, Liechtenstein, Singapore, Malaysia, and Switzerland.

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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: So far NZ has had about 35 covid deaths, all of them unvaxxed
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