"nearly 30 people die a day from the 2020 vaccine" (Page 8)

GeraldtheGnome: Anything in life can be misused, I didn’t give someone in India my Phone number yet the Curry munchers have my number and know too much before I speak. You’ve got to be rational, logical and sensible about everything though, something I’m failing to see by those that have very lame excuses for being against the Vaccine.

Apokalupto: Gerald, please do not come here to troll. Do not accuse anyone in this thread of having lame excuses when there are relatively 8 pages of information. You are doing nothing more than disregarding it and creating division.

Fractured fairy tale: Whole Govenment is Falling Apart Federal State Govenments all Arguing with Each other And Blamming the Citizens , Its Just Destroying Every thing , Were not the only Country heppening To most of them ,People Could be forgiven for thinking Its All been Done deliberty
They Knew Right at the Beigging All these so Called "Health Experts" To protect the Vunerable
Yeah lock downs Have Been Noralized its Rediculas , They Should Learn But they Dont
Sweeden Seems to Of had the Right Stratagy , But there always been a nuteral country Never Follow what the Herd Is Doing

GeraldtheGnome: Anyone can show information however if it is not evidence of what is claimed then you can go on for as long as you like about it. I’m not creating anything, I’m not bringing about division, lame excuses are claimed not to be made here. You all have good points, but there are too many bad points on here too. To not agree with what you are for 100 % of the time on here is not evidence of trolling. A number of past and present Politicians still have the wrong attitude when it comes to Vaccines and what to do about the Virus. Sweden is only a Country, it doesn’t have a strategy, if even any Politician is doing the right thing there is something I haven’t seen any evidence for or against. A Country can’t do anything.

Silver__Fox: My reasons are not "lame excuses", they are valid concerns I have over these rushed, only emergency approved, apparently not 100% safe or effective jabs, still undergoing trials for 2 more years, which have put many in hospital and don't seem to be any use at stopping transmission, and with no long term data to say that they won't cause problems down the track.

GeraldtheGnome: How are they not lame excuses ? Just tell me where there is anything or anyone who is 100 % safe from anything ? You’re going mainly on what you wish to believe. A Vaccine that has put many in Hospital ? Has it really put more People than in one than it hasn’t ? Have you even entertained the idea that you are at least possibly wrong ? Is this Vaccine you FEAR really 100 % ineffective ? Anything, not just a Vaccine can cause problems in the future for a MINORITY of People. Do you know how many Shark attacks on People happen in Australia ? Quite a lot, but if you factor in rather than filter out (if you know where I’m going here) how many People go swimming in the Sea then the amount that get attacked is a very small minority. Now if I used your paranoid way of thinking then I should never swim in the Sea because even Shark Nets don’t guarantee that I’ll be 100 % safe, especially if I factor in how many People end up in Hospital because of Sharks all while I filter out how many don’t get attacked or even killed by Sharks. Shark Nets have no use at deterring Sharks, it must be true because otherwise there’d never be any Shark attacks ? Really ? Now maybe you haven’t worked out what I’m getting at here so maybe while I see examples of the Horseshoe effect on this Site by those of the far left and far right we should concentrate on the far left. What all, without getting into a certain subject, do you hate about the far left and why ?

Apokalupto: Gerald, who are you talking to

Apokalupto: you have a choice to swim or not swim in shark infested waters, you cant make someone do it unless you are a pirate and make them walk the plank.

Gerald, you haven't checked the information here in this thread that's why your texts sound so bizarre to us.

As for the USA, we haven't seen something this catastrophic with vaccine adverse effects and death in all of US vaccine history put together. For you to undermine that is astounding to us. Its not a belief. Stop complaining, if you want to take the vax no one will stop you, do as you wish.

Silver__Fox: @Gerald

Dude I didn't get to this age by taking unneccessary (in my opinion) risks. My reasons are my own and you should respect them. I have not denigrated you at all, so do me the same courtesy please.

GeraldtheGnome: I was literally talking to no one on here. What on this Planet is 100 % safe ? Nothing. So if People in the past didn’t take risks then nothing would’ve been done and Humans would have become extinct after all. I’m not insulting you, nor have I. Your perception is that using a Vaccine is an unnecessary risk to take or is it that using a certain Vaccine is ?

GeraldtheGnome: Bizarre ? I’d rather consider things for the way they are rather than go by fear. Yes you can factor in as many deaths that are ACTUALLY happening and how many illnesses are happening due to a certain Vaccine. I hope you’re being realistic about the Vaccine that you refer to and I hope you’re thinking the right way about it, so far though I have not seen either examples of evidence of that. What do you fear so much about this Vaccine and why ? I’m sure you’re going to go on about deaths and illnesses due to it. How many that have had it haven’t died and/or become ill from it ? Have you even considered that yet ?

Silver__Fox: I'm not getting the jab, for reasons of my own, which I don't have to justify to anyone.
All that needs to be said really

Silver__Fox: But for those who carp at you needing reasons.....
My biggest problem is that these vaccines seem rather pointless, they don't stop infection, they don't stop transmission, they just make you a little less sick.
They haven't removed the virus anywhere they're being used and now it seems they lose their "efficiency" after 6 months or so, requiring a lifetime of boosters.
Oh and did I mention they're still in trials til 2023, so we have no research on long term effects.
Why, you can even catch this virus vaxxed or unvaxxed and not know you even have it and still spread it through your community!
I'm old fashioned, I like my vaccines to actually immunise you from a disease, like the good old days.

GeraldtheGnome: If you’re reasons are good enough then I’m all for that, however stop worrying about what seems rather pointless and start worrying about what actually is rather pointless. You mentioned Vaccines. Do you fear all Coronavirus Vaccines or just some ? The recurring theme on Forums about Vaccines, Politics and religion is that too many don’t check out everything that is against their beliefs. If there is enough evidence against a certain belief of your then quit what you currently believe in, if evidence of a certain belief that you have is available then stick to it, if there’s no evidence that you’re certainly right about anything then don’t tell me and/or anyone else than me that he/she/me/us that what I and/or anyone else but me is certainly wrong when there’s no evidence for or against what you assume is correct. Even the old Vaccines from your ‘good old Days’ were never guaranteed to actually immune you from anything. You only assume that it is so. None of us have said anything on here, we’re using text messages.

Imagine that you are currently the leader of your Country. What will you do from this day on about Coronavirus and Vaccines that any previous leader in your Country and elsewhere has failed to do ?

GeraldtheGnome: There’s also less chance that you will get Coronavirus if you are vaccinated, but you haven’t thought about that.

Fractured fairy tale: Listen Fool Wake UP its Not the Unvacinated that is stopping every thing from repoening You Fool get ya Bloody vaccine Who GAF shut the hell up

Fractured fairy tale: Oh But its a pandemic of the unvaccinated the Fools Say , Really i thought it was a Pandemic of Covid

GeraldtheGnome: Those that have no valid reason not to get it and think that it’s all a Government conspiracy aren’t the only ones stopping everything going back to the way everything was, but they have a big part to do with it, it’s not foolish for me to tell you that, it is foolish of you to tell me what you just told me though. “Who is the bigger fool ? The fool or the one who is fooled by a fool ?” , said by Obi Wan Kenobi in the original (non politically correct) Star Wars. I hate Kathleen Kennedy.

GeraldtheGnome: We never said anything on here so I can’t literally shut up. It’s a Pandemic where too many, but not all, who have the Virus are unvaccinated fools.

Apokalupto: I don't see the point in reasoning with someone whose unreasonable and wants to stay in their little bubble and do nothing but do what they're told and repeat political mantras and regurgitate the news "its the unvaccinated fault why we aren't going back to normal." You must understand, people who believe this stuff are ignorant and naive. Seriously, the guys lost. Take pity and move on.

Its pretty sad to see people fall for the "Vaccinated vs the unvaccinated" thing.

Apokalupto: Gerald, i don't see the point in you sticking around if you're going to succumb to casting blame on countless citizen when in fact it is a few payed off political leaders and tyrants. Please go away and bother someone else, you're bugging people.

Silver__Fox: Texting a message is basically talking IE: "saying" something. Meaning you are saying something through the medium of text messaging. Stop being a pedant ffs

https://www.wired.com/2013/03/texting-isnt-writing-its-fingered-speech/

GeraldtheGnome: I don’t see the point for me to do that either, when you finally find someone that does that then let me know. I also don’t know what a countless Citizen is. There are however those of the general public and Politicians that are to blame, not all of them, but way too many of them anyway. I’m not a pedant, whatever that’s supposed to mean, I do think you meant fussy though, I am guilty of that. Anyway texting isn’t writing, nor is it a form of speech, therefore no one said anything on here.

Silver__Fox: Ok son, whatever you reckon

Apokalupto: waw Gerald, you got me. You must enjoy being a pest.