Reparations. What does that mean ?

GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: In the USA there are Black People (and I'm not going to label them African American) that go on about reparations. I know most of them do not bring it up but some do. Anyway one of them in one of those States there is pushing for or has brought about reparations there. What does it mean and is it a good or bad thing to have ? The reason why I don't refer to them as African Americans is because even out of those with dark skin or are half cast yet white in appearance (but are of the origin of at least one black race or dark at least) were never born in Africa. Slavery of the kind that was around in the USA that is no longer there is terrible. Is it right to give someone money or whatever as a belated compensation of what happened to an Ancestor that died well before the one that is now alive was even born ?
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

You know slavery wasn't that long ago when you have recordings of their voices.


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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: The ones that it's happened to are the ones that should have gotten it. Anyone that hasn't karked it deserves to get whatever they should get, that's my whole point, no one else.
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

You're in Australia. Is your country talking about Reparations?

I do believe it should be studied.

We must acknowledge that there can be no realization of the American dream without grappling with the original sin of slavery, and the centuries-long campaign of violence, fear, and trauma wrought upon black people in this country.


Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936 to 1938

If anyone is interested.

https://www.loc.gov/collections/slave-narratives-from-the-federal-writers-project-1936-to-1938/about-this-collection/
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: I don't know of any such thing here but given the chance just like the infamous Black Lives Matter movement it will be copied here if given a chance if it hasn't already happened.
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

Well, I hope people give you their thoughts on the subject. I'm not very familiar with it, which is why I said it should be studied.

I don't know Australia history at all. I have no idea if you had slaves there.

I do know that slavery isn't as far back in our history (USA) that people think.

I do feel it is possible that the current generation has been affected by the past. That is why I think it should be studied.

Here (USA) a white family income was 10 times that of blacks until 2008. Now the income gap is 5 times.

Whether people choose to acknowledge it, there is systemic racism (USA).


NOTE- Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organisation. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.

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chronology
chronology: Gerald, Repetitions is a very complex subject indeed. If you visit Bavaria you will meet many Germans whose families were forced out of Suddetland after WW2. Around a million people were fo leave their homes and everything. They walked a long trail to Germany, many settling in Bavaria. To say that they were traumatized is an understatement, and around a hundred thousand died. For years afterwards the Suddetenland Germans held a yearly ceremony where they would lay flowers at the foot of'The Cross of the German East' to remember their fallen relative's.

Then there is the Arminian folks who died during the ethnic cleansing in Turkey.

The tragic Jewish folks during the 1930s, they suffered institutionalised racism.

Irish folks insist over 2.000.000. of their people died during the 19th century Great Hunger in Ireland.

Millions have died in Africa from Tribal violence.

It is not surprising America beats itself up none stop over slavery. The world's leading Liberal Democracy has to does it not? But American Slavery era is small potatoes compared with all the Tragedy in this world.

And don't forget the Communists. Murdered millions and drove millions out of their homes.

Do all the victims descendents deserve reperations? The United Nations in New York City will have a line longer than Black Friday at Walmart.

No disrespect at all to communities that have suffered as a result of human inhumanity. But perhaps we can all learn from the Suddetenland Germans. The young ladies in Derndill folk dress stood at the foot of the Cross during the past ceremonies and prayed for their lost past. They found peace doing that.
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: I just wonder how far they want to take reparations. I wonder if the Irish will get it for being indentured servants,or the Chinese will get it for only being paid 1/3rd what others did to work on the railroads,or the Mormons for being run off land they properly owned to avoid arrest,or the native Americans for the Europeans taking over their country. It a very slippery slope and blacks act like they are the only people in this country that were done wrong in the building of this country but in actuality they are the only ones that were awarded 40 acres and a mule in the Emancipation Proclamation so they are the only ones who have received any reparations yet.
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

The bill was introduced 18 months ago. (USA)

H.R.40 - Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/40

Findings.—The Congress finds that—

(1) approximately 4,000,000 Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and colonies that became the United States from 1619 to 1865;

(2) the institution of slavery was constitutionally and statutorily sanctioned by the Government of the United States from 1789 through 1865;

(3) the slavery that flourished in the United States constituted an immoral and inhumane deprivation of Africans' life, liberty, African citizenship rights, and cultural heritage, and denied them the fruits of their own labor;

(4) a preponderance of scholarly, legal, community evidentiary documentation and popular culture markers constitute the basis for inquiry into the on-going effects of the institution of slavery and its legacy of persistent systemic structures of discrimination on living African-Americans and society in the United States; and

(5) following the abolition of slavery in that case the United States Government will give 3,000 at the Federal, State, and local level, continued to perpetuate, condone and often profit from practices that continued to brutalize and disadvantage African-Americans, including share cropping, convict leasing, Jim Crow, redlining, unequal education, and disproportionate treatment at the hands of the criminal justice system; and

(6) as a result of the historic and continued discrimination, African-Americans continue to suffer debilitating economic, educational, and health hardships including but not limited to; having nearly 1,000,000 Black people incarcerated; an unemployment rate more than twice the current White unemployment rate; and an average of less than 1/16 of the wealth of White families, a disparity which has worsened, not improved over time
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: Before the pandemic Trump had black unemployment down below 3% and nationwide he had all unemployment down to under5%
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

The Facts-

The black unemployment rate tends to be significantly higher than the overall U.S. unemployment rate. At 7 percent in February, it was nearly twice the U.S. jobless rate of 3.8 percent.

It’s important to keep in mind that this official statistic for black unemployment — which Trump keeps talking about as “the lowest in the history of our country” — is less than 50 years old, dating to 1972.

A different data set from the Labor Department that goes back to 1947 shows that the annual unemployment rate for “negro and other races” went as low as 4.5 percent in 1953 — far below the 6.5 percent yearly average for black unemployment in 2018.

The two data sets (before and after 1972) are not apples-to-apples, but several experts told us that it’s still useful to compare them. “This isn’t the same measure but is the best that exists and even then ‘negro and other races’ is higher than whites,” said Omari H. Swinton, chair of the economics department at Howard University.

So it seems as if Trump’s claim to a historical record is sketchy at best. He was president when the BLS’s current statistic for tracking black unemployment reached a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018. But an older set of government data suggests black unemployment went much lower in the 1950s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/26/trumps-outdated-spin-black-unemployment-rate/
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

The historically low black unemployment rate has become one of Donald Trump’s favorite statistical claims, one he is likely to tout again at the upcoming State of the Union address.

The fallacy of touting this as a genuine accomplishment of the Trump administration rather than fortuitous timing has been noted by me and others on multiple occasions. Still, at the start of Black History Month, it’s useful to provide some facts about the African American labor force that you will probably not hear during the presidential address to Congress.

To begin with, it is true that the 2018 black unemployment rate was the lowest it has been since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began reporting it in 1972. But little, if any, credit for that belongs to the Trump administration. As the graph below clearly shows, the black unemployment rate had been steadily falling since 2011, well before Trump was sworn into office, and the rate of decline has not gained momentum since. Arguably, the decline of the black unemployment rate to its current level has more to do with the Fed’s decision to keep interest rates at or near zero for an extended period of time—decisions led by the two previous Federal Reserve chairpersons.

Graph available here.

https://www.epi.org/blog/before-the-state-of-the-union-a-fact-check-on-black-unemployment/
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chronology
chronology: Granma. The United States Government paid 20000 dollars to every Japanese American placed in detention camps during WW2. In today's money that would be around 40000 dollars.

Germany has paid out around 80 billion dollars since 1952 in monthly welfare cheque's to Jewish victims of racism in the Nazi era. Germany has expanded the pension program to include home visits to elderly Jewish people to make sure their final years are comfortable and as free of distress as possible.

For African Americans compensation could involve similar monthly cheques to guarantee that they are assured a dignified standard of living.

Americans are going to have to make some pretty big changes in how they view life and and money. Not just for African Americans. Automation and AI are set to replace 50pc of the American workforce in the next two decades. Most of the jobs being replaced are professional high paying jobs. Americans will have to accept that assistance from the Government is not just political vote catching, it is part of the infrastructure of future America.
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: Goo thing I have guns an woods to hunt in hahaha I got plenty of game too. Rabbits,squirrels,deer,ducks,pheasant. Plenty of game and a few lakes and two rivers to fish in. So I wont starve.
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: Hell i get a couple of cases of tomatoes each year,plenty of corn,peas,butter beans,lima beans,okra and I live in strawberry,blueberry,and within an hour of watermelon capital and they also grow cantaloupes so that way I dont get scurvy. I also grow my own garden that the democrats wanted to outlaw but fortunately I live in a Republican controlled state so that didn't get passed. They proposed that so that people are dependent only on food they can purchase but where I live i know farmers and packing warehouse owners so I dont have to buy those things. I get them free the ones that don't pass the correct size or if its deformed they can't package them so they give those away after they box them up. Got a few folks that are members of my lodge who bring cases upon cases of deformed and small or large vegetables and you just grab a bag and get what you want. The owners dint mind either because then they dont have to pay to have them hauled off and dumped in a pit.
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: However Trump did do away with some of those restrictions they had on vegetables that grow deformed or in odd shapes after democrats passed laws requiring that those aren't to be sold for some reason they think if a tomato isn't perfectly round it isn't fit to be sold or eat but I think they taste fine. Make a great tomato sandwich. Slap some mayonnaise on some bread throw a little sea salt on it and chomp,good eating.
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Gramma Tinks 
Gramma Tinks:

chronology

I didn't know any of that history. Thank you
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: No reparations required anytime....I ain't paying for something my forebearers may or may have not done. Past is past, all the protagonists are long gone, nothing to see here people, move along!

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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: If someone did something wrong to another, then that Person, no one else during that time and no one else afterwards (including not even after that ones death) should only do whatever is appropriate, not less than that and not more than that.
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: Beaver I completely agree slavery ended 140 years ago and equality complete equality has been around over 50years but all we here time after time after time is I was done wrong,I was held down. Was Obama held down,I guess that how he got to be president being held down huh. The only people holding them down is themselves by complaining and bitching about something that was done to their great great grandfolks. Get over it its done. The subject is dead the North won 140 years ago het some gumption and get out and get it on your own like all us have to do. I wasn't handed a damn thing at all I worked my ass off to get it. To be honest I was refused 4 jobs because I wasn't black or minority. I applied for jobs I was more qualified for because of experience and hard work but it was given to black guys less qualified with less experienced just to fill a quota that was required that they have a minimum of minorities.
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Fog Swept Glade
Fog Swept Glade: Somebody is holding a slave right now somewhere.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Did you watch one of those Get Smart Episodes Foggy ?
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: If someone is holding a slave its probably a Democrat
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: I liked Hymie
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refurbwoodart
refurbwoodart: Beaver please do me a favor look at my thread Joe Biden announces he wants to make Islam monitory learning in schools and lol at all the personal insults that crazy person put on there if it isn't a problem please
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Yeah saw that, sandra has severe mental issues, I think she may be a serial killer
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