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KeithJ: What The National Archives Found Inside The Boxes Trump Took To Florida

KeithJ: "It's coming"

KeithJ: I guess,, laffer80 is wordy's new account

KeithJ: AND "it's coming"

laffer80: To Echo:

Remember these words of yours Echo? “Not so fast, wise guy.... ”

😂. Yeah. I responded right away. Too fast? 😂😂. It’s been 5 days…. no reply. You really are slow…. Like, ride the short bus slow. 🤪

You waited 5 days to respond to my overwhelming evidence of Democrat racism and voter suppression last time too. Only to make excuses rather than concede the obvious. I understand. It’s hard to respond promptly when you are wrong and need time to figure out how best to avoid admitting it.

So…. . I certainly don’t have to say “Not so fast” to you, do I. 😂 Take your time slow man. When it comes to hearing pathetic excuses, I am extremely patient. 😉😏

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Echolegacy:

To laffer80:



Well, actually, there were some other personal matters that were pressing and which required my attention, but to tell you the truth, I really wasn’t talking about the history of both parties going as far back as the 19th century, but if it helps you at all, what you said is historically accurate. I was really referring to the changes in both parties since the 1950’s because at that point in particular, the parties in question shifted their ideological platforms to conform to what they appear to be today.


I am not averse to admitting when I am incorrect, or, more accurately, when I framed a statement or a question badly. Your problem is that you’re one of those people who can’t resist the urge to humiliate your opponent in a political debate, but that’s your problem; not mind.


I think I clarified my position but you probably don’t care: your primary concern is getting the upper hand in a debate and sticking it to your opponent. I hope you enjoyed the experience.
Still, what you posted about the history of both parties was accurate; it just wasn’t what I wanted to discuss, which, once again, I attribute to framing the matter badly and not expressing myself as well as I might have hoped.



I wonder how well you’ll do when YOU make a similar mistake.






ECHO

KeithJ: The fact that IS ,,,is that DECADES ago the democratic party was of a different racial ideology mostly BUT NOW is different BUT the republican party IS now of that by all of it's turning a blind eye to THOSE groups that NOW support it and it IS un believable of ones like the Neo Nazi's KKK , Proud Boys and many MORE of the type ,,,,,THAT IS THE FACTS !

KeithJ: Don't worry your Fucking Tin God Trump will not be able to run again.

"It's Coming"

Echolegacy:

To Keith:


Thanks for clarifying matters, which I failed to do with my previous post. It’s my own fault for failing to do so but I think that laffer80 made the same assumption. It seems like he jumped all over that because he simply assumed that I was tracing the history of the two parties from as far back as the 19th century, and, in fact, I did acknowledge the error, which he may or may not accept as an explanation.


If, in fact, this is still Wordy under a new screen name, well, that would explain a lot. Let’s see how he reacts to my post. It should be very illuminating.




ECHO

laffer80: To Echo:

Honestly I don’t know where to begin. Lol. I could make 100 points but I’d be here all day.

I’ll guess I’ll start with this….

You originally asked: “If you CAN find examples, of, say, voter suppression…”

I provided a long HISTORY of Democrat abuses of blacks. Then, after 5 days, you responded, in part, with:

“I love to see people distort and pervert historical facts”

“Go back and reread your 'history' “

“lamentable ignorance”

“snide and pompous”

“you don't know what the FUCK you're talking about”

“when you know a little more, we can discuss it further.”

“The tragedy of ignorance is its complacency"

I responded that same day, 5 days ago. Now today you respond with:

“what you said is historically accurate”

“what you posted about the history of both parties was accurate”.

“I am not averse to admitting when I am incorrect”

Thank you for the admission.

As for humiliation, I suggest the humiliation you feel is due to your own words being utterly refuted. Eating crow is humiliating for sure.

As for my motivations, I am primarily motivated by the desire to clarify my beliefs and why I hold them. You can believe whatever you like of course.

In that vein, I prefer to discuss ideas with liberals lefties Democrats who may be wrong headed but whom I think MAY have enough brain capacity to use it.

I have not given up hope on you. Yet.

In the meantime, I have no problem with your frequent insults. To me they reflect more poorly on you than me. I normally try not to respond in kind.

The “short bus” comment was mostly in response to your long delayed…. slow… responses. A bit of a joke. Lol. Sorry if my comment seemed aimed at humiliating you.

There is so much more to respond to. Lol. I will eventually….

Echolegacy:

To laffer80:



Your response is EXACTLY what I expected. Thanks for living down to my lowest expectations. I admitted my error but you just couldn’t let it slide—-could you?







ECHO

KeithJ: As I said the party has switched it's modus operandi to the opposite because of sore loser
syndrome and seem very evident they are driving on the wrong side of the road now days ,,
Also they know "It's Coming"

laffer80: To Echo:

Let’s set the table here. Before moving on to discuss “the changes in both parties since the 1950’s”….

Here are 3 quotes by you:

“With the advent of the twentieth century, the Republican Party has adopted policies towards black peoples that can only be called draconian”

“although I think the Democrats have not always acted in the best interests of black folks, they are not a haven for bigots, conspiracy nuts, or those committed to voter suppression through violence.”

“I was really referring to the changes in both parties since the 1950’s because at that point in particular, the parties in question shifted their ideological platforms to conform to what they appear to be today.”

Can we get agreement that NOTHING has suppressed the black vote like the Jim Crow laws, lynchings and segregation which occurred in the 20th century between 1901 and 1950 and which were all perpetrated by the Democrats?

Further, can we also get agreement that NOTHING since 1950 compares to that suppression and violence of blacks by Republicans?

Can we possibly agree on that before moving forward?

laffer80: To Echo:

I’ll let your latest whine slide. How is that? Better?

😊

Echolegacy:

To laffer80:



No matter WHAT I say, I will still be in the wrong. So, enjoy yourself, while you still can.






ECHO

laffer80: To Echo:

Now THAT i tend to agree with.

It seems you are bowing out?

laffer80: To Echo:

Once more, to be clear, can we possibly agree on those 2 points before moving forward? Or not?

Echolegacy:

To laffer80:


I am a reasonable person so if that’s what it takes to satisfy you, then yes, I will acquiesce to your request. I thought that I had already done that, but if this is what it takes, then okay.



Satisfied now?




ECHO

KeithJ: So that gives a free ticket for republicans supporting a fucking well placed lie by Dump the 1980s and so on financial criminal to revert towards the support from Neo Nazi and KKK confederate flag carrying son of bitches along with 6MWE T shirt wearing insurrectionist in the
House breaking up stuff and chanting "Hang Mike Pence" "?"

Echolegacy:

To laffer80:


Apropos of your assumption that I am “bowing out,” well, I am not. To quote the poet—I forget his name—“I go on until I am stopped/but I am I never stopped.”


It takes more than THAT to shut me up.




ECHO

Echolegacy:
To laffer80:


Here’s a little postscript:


Omnia quae dicenda sunt, libere dicam.


Cicero

(“Everything which must be said, I will say freely.”)




ECHO

KeithJ: Also NOW days 99% of black folk are Democrat ,,hummm "I wonder why" ( said in a Andy Rooney voice )

laffer80: To Echo:

On the contrary, I’m asking for answers not to shut you up.

Ok. I got my answer. You concede that NOTHING done by the Republicans since 1950 compares to what was done by Democrats prior to 1950 regarding the mistreatment of blacks. If you could not make that admission then there would be no point in proceeding.

Onward. So you’ve made some claims about Republicans that I don’t agree with. Many in fact. But relating to this topic of race, I would point out two comments in particular.

1)

“With the advent of the twentieth century, the Republican Party has adopted policies towards black peoples that can only be called draconian”

I disagree. I am not aware of any Republican policies (“draconian” or otherwise) directed at black people or anyone else, at the advent of the twentieth century or at any other time.

I’m afraid I will need you to specify what policies you are talking about before I can comment further.

2)

“I really wasn’t talking about the history of both parties going as far back as the 19th century…. I was really referring to the changes in both parties since the 1950’s because at that point in particular, the parties in question shifted their ideological platforms to conform to what they appear to be today.”

I disagree. I do not believe the Republican party “shifted” or “changed” in the 1950s or at any time either in ideology or platform with regard to race, specifically blacks.

I believe the Republican party was founded to bring about the freedom of blacks and the realization of the American dream (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) in all its forms to all blacks in America - rights equal to every race in America, including whites. I also believe the Republican party are true to that ideology and platform today and have been every day since its founding, including from 1950 to today.

Again, I’m afraid I will need you to specify what “shifted” or “changed” before I can comment further.

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Now, it’s fine with me if you’d like to discuss either or both.

Or, It’s fine with me if you’d like to discuss something completely different that irks you about Republicans.

Lastly, I do seem to annoy you, so it’s fine with me if you don’t want to discuss a thing with me. No hard feelings.

KeithJ: "Stand down and stand by" proud Boys ,,,yeah stand by for the 6th .

Echolegacy:

To laffers80:


Give me time to digest all that you have brought up here; it will take me time to process it and I will have to get back to you.






ECHO