A South African Lesson: Why "Israel" is Doomed to Fail (Page 9)

Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Edmund if it wan"t for the western world backing Isreal up it would of already failed, Don"t mean they should Turn a Blind eye tho
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Fractured fairy tale: Can"t be like Chronologys and Brag about being the Heroes of history and never ending Gushing Praise , If there going to have Double standards , then its nothing more than Propaganda
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rebel1916
rebel1916: The attack on the USS Liberty lasted over an hour being attacked by war planes and torpedo boats, it could hardly be considered an "accident" by any means. The illegal government occupying Palestine claimed that they mistook it for an Egyptian war boat (El Quseir) "because of the lettering" that they thought was Egyptian, but by any means it's hard to mistake the large 'GTR5' lettering at the front of the boat which would have been easily identified as an American ship. Another fact to mention is that the El Quseir was half the size of the Liberty.

After the attack on USS Liberty, the Navy's court of Inquiry’s investigation proceedings were held in closed sessions. The survivors were hit with gag orders and forced to keep silent about what happened that day. If this was a simple accident why would the survivors be forced to keep silent on the matter?

Admiral Thomas Moorer who lead a year long independent investigation along with former military officials and US ambassadors claimed it was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups".

A senior "Israeli" pilot had identified the Liberty as an American vessel. He then informed headquarters who ordered him to ignore the American flag and carry out the attack. He refused and was arrested on return to base. Also a Major who was present in the "Israeli" war room heard the pilots report which proves the other pilots were aware that they were attacking a US flagged ship. The Major, who held dual citizenship, received threatening phone calls and later recanted his statement.

The attack on the USS Liberty had all the hallmarks of a false flag operation in an effort to draw the US into a war with Egypt. There is far too many facts to deny this.
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rebel1916
rebel1916: YouTube

The day "israel" attacked America.
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edmund_carey
edmund_carey: The attack on the Liberty was a mistake. The United States acknowledged that it was a mistake and accepted Israel's apology. Research since then has proved that it was a mistake. Everybody makes them.
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zeffur
zeffur: Israel also paid millions in damages for the accident...
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rebel1916
rebel1916: So Edmund, you are telling me that the survivor of USS Liberty, the ones that were there on that day are all just liers?

The government has accepted the "Israelis" lies but the people who suffered at the hands of this attack had not.

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zeffur
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rebel1916
rebel1916: @zeffur

I will not tolerate personal attacks on people in this tread.
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zeffur
zeffur: Dude hates the truth, apparently.
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zeffur
zeffur: Who was personally attacked?
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zeffur
zeffur: I only stated that you are apparently confused by the facts of the situation.

re: "The attack on the USS Liberty had all the hallmarks of a false flag operation in an effort to draw the US into a war with Egypt. There is far too many facts to deny this."

It's more likely they made a mistake in thinking the vessel was a false flagged vessel by their enemies...

None of those middle eastern countries had the cojones to attack an American vessel because doing so would have been suicide for them...

Certainly Israel would have known such an attack wouldn't bring the US into such a small war that Israel had with those chumps at that time. All of their militaries combined wouldn't have been much of war to fight--considering how easily Israel dispatched their enemies using American military resources.
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Go read your talmid zeffer . For Crying out Loud
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zeffur
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Rebel you know what they say about States that are in decline , They limit any form of free thinking and Sell a Illusion of what the reality is
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rebel1916
rebel1916: zeffur - "It's more likely they made a mistake in thinking the vessel was a false flagged vessel by their enemies..."

Unlikely, Radio recordings as well as eye witnesses from the "israeli" pilots and those present in the war rooms knew it was a US vessel. They had been surveilling the area for several hours before hand.

5:15am first light, the ships log recorded an "israeli" photo recon plane flying over the Liberty. "Israeli" recorded obtained by media shows that the "israeli" recon planes reported the Liberty as an American spy vessel, hull number GTR5. "israeli" planes continue to fly over the ship all morning. Survivors of the Liberty reported the they had waved to the planes and the pilots waved back.

The survivors of the Liberty said "it was a bright blue sunny day" and that they hoisted the holiday colours that could be seen for miles. The holiday colours is a much larger flag than normal.

At 1:15pm the pilots asked their base control about the ship and base control again confirmed it was an American ship.

At 2:11pm the pilots were instructed to fly down and confirm the identity of the ship. The pilot identified the Liberty as "Charlie, Tango, Romeo 5". The pilot asked what state the ship belonged to and control confirmed it as an American.

At 2:35 after the planes did their damage, "israeli" torpedo boats fired 5 salvos to which 4 missed and 1 hit instantly killing 25 sailors.

The "israelis" knew exactly what they were doing, no one on the USS Liberty was supposed to survive.
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zeffur
zeffur: Why would the a new Israeli pilot have to ask for id info on the American vessel? That doesn't make any sense as pilots are briefed ahead of any missions about friends & foes. "Charlie, Tango, Romeo 5" is also not consistent with the American vessel hull id: GTR5. Did the pilot make an id error or did you when you wrote that info in your last post?

Why would any Israeli military personnel claim an American vessel is a spy vessel when we are allies & the US provided Israel with most or all of their military hardware & resources?? You don't call your allies 'spies'.

It also doesn't make any sense that the Israeli military would attack a US vessel to destroy it. You seem to think it was a tactical strategy to get America into a war with the middle east enemies of Israel, but that also doesn't make any sense as those combined militaries were easily defeated by Israel, so they certainly wouldn't be a match for the American military.

There was no guarantee that the US would get into such a small war & there was a huge risk that Israel would offend it's ally & suffer huge financial & other potential consequences by taking such a risk.

I'm not buying any of it as it doesn't seem sensible in any way.

Maybe this will help you:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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Fractured fairy tale
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rebel1916: @zuffar but you would buy into a wikipedia entry. Pogger mate, poggers!
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rebel1916
rebel1916: @zuffar

This is a quote from Wiki itself...

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong."

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"The primary goal of these covert campaigns appears to be pushing Western and Israeli government positions while destroying the reputation of independent journalists and politicians.

Articles most affected by this kind of manipulation include political, geopolitical and certain historical topics as well as biographies of non-conformist academics, journalists, and politicians."

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/wikipedia-a-disinformation-operation/

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Zionist Course On How To Edit And Manipulate Wikipedia Facts....



These people want to support the illegal "israeli" regime by manipulating and exploiting the truth.

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Has Davidk14 retired or what? Have you taken his place?
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zeffur
zeffur: Notice the phrase 'could be'--that does not mean that it certainly is a false account in the Wiki article. For all you know, that article could have been written by a scholar/s.

Illegal regime?? Israel declared it's independence on 14 May 1948 & it is now Internationally recognized by 162 out of 192 nation members of the UN.
src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel

Exactly how are you determining that Israel is illegal--just because a few nations that hate Israel won't recognize Israel as a nation??

re: "Has Davidk14 retired or what? Have you taken his place?"

It looks more like you are a generator of disinformation. I'm only skeptical of your claims--nothing more. Nether one of us were there at that time & the rationale for your claims seems to be illogical & dubious. I mean, ffs, the US 6th Fleet was present in the mediterranean sea within a 10 minute flight for it's jets. Why you think the Israelis would be able to pull off such an intentional & illogical operation is beyond rational, imo...

And why would they wait until the afternoon to try to destroy the USS Liberty?? Certainly it would have been easier to sink in the dark & go undetected & therefore be much less likely to be blamed for having done it.
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edmund_carey
edmund_carey: And incidentally the government of Israel is as legal as it is duly constituted. That's why so much of the international community recognizes it and has diplomatic relations with it. And more all the time, too, as you will have noticed.
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: All govermnets are filled with Demons , Isreals is no Different
I see Ireal took out the Head of Irans Necular team , In a Strike killed him and a few other people around him , Im trying not to take Sides Its like they do in syria , Strike First just on hear say , What ever happend to the Rule of law that the nuremberg trils were Supposedly all about
Isreal isn"t even a part of the World Atomic watch dog , Iran Is , Yeat isreal just takes the Law Into there own Hands , What else is new
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