Yet another god doesnt exist thread. (Page 5)
murrayduan: You kind of contradicted yourself talking about consensus. Scientists have relied on the consensus and acceptance of the proof that supports the theory. Thus 99% believe it occurred.
Even a skeptic must know most evolutions occur over long period of time. We have witnessed real time evolution in relatively short periods of time in thing's like the peppered moth that until the 19th century were all white.
The Industrial evolution blackened the trees in British forests and the moth became very visible and easy prey.
In 1811 the first mutant black Moth appeared allowing it to blend with the black trees. By the end of the century there were more black Moths then white because they were hard for predator's to spot.
In the 1900's as Polluting Industries subsided the tree changed color and the white moth again became prominent.
Many such observances.
murrayduan: Like in most things in life motives are very important. In your fear about evolution what exactly would be the motive to promoting evolution?
Why not attempt to confirm Creationism and become a star among the misinformed gullible masses.
Obviously one can not confirm as you say "Fairy Tales"
Again the original attempt was to disprove Darwin's theory but the facts prevailed and Creationism was simply Collateral Damage.
Why exactly do you think Religion is trying to jump on to evolutions coat tails and claim Intelligent Design? I know why. In the USA alone its about a 1.5 Trillion Dollar Economy.
Now take world wide? Huge.
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: You also question incomplete skeletal remains and how we can conclude they are one and the same. Just as today skeletal remains are identified as man or women, animal or human."
Um.. no. You're typing about an EXTINCT creature that is 3.2 million years old--you can't just arrive at such a conclusion. In fact, they hotly debated whether or not the remains were a male or female. In the end they concluded it must have been a female since females were smaller than males in other finds from that time period. They may be wrong. It could have been a runt male or perhaps a juvenile. What you readily accept as fact is in fact a belief--not a fact--no one was there to see & it isn't possible today to be 100% certain.
re: "DNA also show 98.5 to 99% match between Chimps and Humans."
That is irrelevant. DNA is the stuff of life for many creatures. Many genes in many different creatures are the same--being the same doesn't show ancestry--it simple shows the creator used a certain genetic pallet like a painter uses a certain set of colors on her/his pallet when creating art. Also, from what I've read, the actual human-chimp DNA difference is 5%--not what you cited (which is often wrong) when compared with the latest 'beliefs'. What matters most is how truly different that 5% is--there's a huge difference between humans & chimps. Wannabe chimp descendants seem to lack the ability to realize that sufficiently. How many of your chimp friends are debating over the internet why evolution is a fraud?? That's right--ZERO.
re: "In Court of Law 99% is good enough to convict or prove Paternity. It is widely accepted."
I've seen such feeble attempt at argument & they didn't impress me then & they don't impress me now. A specific heredity dna sequence used in court is NOT available to prove a 3.2 million year old extinct chimp is an ancestor of humans--not even your confused 'evolution' believing scientists would make such a feeble argument attempt--why do you??
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: You kind of contradicted yourself talking about consensus. Scientists have relied on the consensus and acceptance of the proof that supports the theory. Thus 99% believe it occurred."
Truth isn't based on concensus--it is independent of it. Science has a long history of over turning theories when more credible evidence is discovered--to play the scientific concensus card is irrational & futile.
re: "We have witnessed real time evolution in relatively short periods of time in thing's like the peppered moth that until the 19th century were all white."
No, actually you have not witnessed evolution of such a creature--you have just been duped into thinking that you have. Has that moth evolved into anything other than a moth? No, of course not. Natural heredity can be expressed in a massive range of possibilities. Just think of all of the various creatures in the dog family. No rational person would suggest that different dogs are evolving in to dog-cats. Likewise, no rational person would conclude that a variant of a moth is anything other than a moth--but, what you should be asking yourself is how they got you to drink their Kool-Aid & believe it is an evolving moth...
murrayduan: Scientists know how Earth was formed. They know how life evolved to today.
Funny how some like to say. no way DNA could occur on its own yet try to interject a mythical something doing the job anyhow?
Why are you obsessed with the "make" idea? There was no assembly line. Just as one can look around us and see how evolving created a Giraffe when low lying leaves were gone and those with short necks died out.
We can see how species of insects evolved to allow them survive in their environment. They are every where.
People evolved acclimated to their surroundings like small slits for eyes to handle the bright sun light in snow and ice covered areas.
Dark skin to accommodate the bright sun.
Evolution is only questioned by those who fear the truth contradicts their taught beliefs. I guess it is coincidence that the Bible says you must Tithe?
If you don't buy into the idea you are going to Hell? LOL my Fave.
Believe what you want but don't try to disprove what is already known that is a losing proposition.
I remember when I was young and an Alter Boy and had questions, I was told just have Faith it happened. Faith is simply another word for ignorance.
No offense if you have Faith.
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: Like in most things in life motives are very important. In your fear about evolution what exactly would be the motive to promoting evolution?"
It should be obvious to you. They deny God exists & they hate religion, so they have to create their own God to believe in. That God is the error prone field of science. Their delusional baby is that nature can produce life from non life without intelligence from a higher power. The problem is...their whole belief system is an unproven fraud & it therefore cannot be considered true or factual or knowledge of any kind--it is a house of cards--nothing more.
re: "Why not attempt to confirm Creationism and become a star among the misinformed gullible masses."
A. I'm not gullible--you are for thinking evolution is scientific fact when it is not.
B. We are still working on being able to travel to & within the heavens. It's kind of a big deal to achieve--and best of all it is REAL--not an unprovable fairy tale.
re: "Again the original attempt was to disprove Darwin's theory but the facts prevailed and Creationism was simply Collateral Damage."
Facts are just facts--they aren't in dispute--and extinct creature fossil is what it is. What is in dispute is the misinterpretation, misrepresentation, & fairy tales spun by evolutioners to gullible people who are too dull to understand how they are being duped.
re: "Why exactly do you think Religion is trying to jump on to evolutions coat tails and claim Intelligent Design? I know why. In the USA alone its about a 1.5 Trillion Dollar Economy."
They aren't jumping onto any coat tails. They are just making it clear how ridiculous the ToE & Neo-Evolution actually are. The more people learn the truth, the more they realize how they've been duped by the myth of evolution & the collateral damage is the rot that has infiltrated academia & science.
I don't make any $ from exposing the myth of evolution--so, your belief is false when it comes to me.
murrayduan: zeffur I am sorry this scares you so badly. Like many you try to discredit what is accepted as fact by claiming there are gaps in areas.
Let me remind you this Creationism vs Evolution went to Court one time. Set up as a real court battle
Creationist experts and Evolution experts squared off before a Judge. The Creationists used the same examples you repeat while Evolutionist's used what they already knew and found.
In the end the findings were , Just because your not Bill doesn't mean you are Bob", or close.
The position of Creationist was there are things they want to be found for more support for Evolution. Never could they offer any support for Creationism as none exists.
What they were trying to do is prove evolution cant be true if I need more of what they wanted to see.
Judge saw through that and ruled against them.
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: Scientists know how Earth was formed. They know how life evolved to today."
You are terribly misinformed. YouTube a nanotechnologist named James Tour:
The sad fact is that you don't even seem to have a clue how wrong you truly are.
I could show exactly why every single one of your other claims are untrue, but, it would just be a waste of time because you are clearly drunk on the evo Kool Aid & require NO facts to substantiate your beliefs. You are free to keep deluding yourself--it's no skin off my back.
zeffur: re: "Creationist experts and Evolution experts squared off before a Judge. The Creationists used the same examples you repeat while Evolutionist's used what they already knew and found."
W. J. Bryan didn't represent anyone except his client. Politics exercised wrongly in a courtroom is hardly news.
murrayduan: zeffur. You are only repeating what has been said over and over with 99% of scientists laughing at your position and take on things.
Again I will repeat, its OK to believe in what you want to but trying to disprove what is already proven in a fools errand.
Now why not try to prove existence of a God?
We know the Bible is just a book of stories changing as it needs to accommodate real life and facts.
We know it was written over a long period of time by 80 men or so and they voted on what should be in the book?
Remember the intellect of those men was , well that of todays 5 year old. They believed you cured all ills by bleeding a quart of blood from sick people. The Universe revolved around Earth. You go to far East and you will fall off?
You burn witches at the stake? Of course what would you expect in those times. Yet many want to believe what they wrote in a Book? WTF?
Heck even the Jesus own people thought of him as just a person. 100 years later another person thought to make him God Two.
The Great Flood, The parting of the seas for Moses, etc etc. Great entertainment but only that.
You know how many times they have looked for all those Chariots at the bottom of the Red Sea?
Maybe the hunt for the Ark that supposedly housed several million species? Huh?
zeffur: Almost everything you've typed above is untrue. I won't waste anymore time on someone with such delusions.
You KNOW evolution has never been proven to be true or it would not be called a theory. It therefore cannot honestly be called 'scientific fact' when it has never been proven to be true. Your inability to understand & admit such a fact is evidence of your delusion.
murrayduan: zeffur treat this like informing the uninformed tell me why you buy into this Tale?
Other then being told to believe by Parents or after being a reformed Drug Addict or in Jail. Why
murrayduan: zeffur now that was predictable. When backed into a corner its fight or flight?
Seen it thousands of times over the years. I am not trying to embarrass you just hoping you had some new Information on it?
You flight is the norm.
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: zeffur treat this like informing the uninformed tell me why you buy into this Tale?
Other then being told to believe by Parents or after being a reformed Drug Addict or in Jail. Why"
If you can't understand from what I've already written to you, then there is no sense repeating it again. It has nothing whatsoever to do with buying a Tale, being told by parents, nor any drug or incarceration. You assuming so only further shows how little you understood about what I wrote to you.
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: zeffur now that was predictable. When backed into a corner its fight or flight? Seen it thousands of times over the years. I am not trying to embarrass you just hoping you had some new Information on it? You flight is the norm."
Untrue again. I'm ending typing to you for the same reason that I avoid talking to any other irrational person who obviously does not understand what I've communicate to him/her...it's a waste of my time due to your willful disregard of the facts & your willful love of your fairy tale. Enjoy your delusions!
murrayduan: You haven't told me anything, what are you reading. You have not posted anything to support your beliefs.
All you have done is explain you're are confused about what is already known.
Scientists who are responsible for taking man from the Caves to what we have today don't rely on stories in a book they form a theory and try to disprove the theory or facts that say it was wrong.
Do you not get that. What we know was the byproduct of trying to prove evolution wrong.
Religion and its beliefs were just man writing a book to try to keep man under control without Laws. They took stories thousands of years old like one about a man Jesus. That story had been around a long long time before he was created as a Jewish person.
A Jesus born of a virgin mother with wise men at the birth place in a manger was on cave walls hundreds of years before they wrote the Bible.
The Jesus they chose was denied by his own people, yet someone miles away 70 years later said he is the one? Yet this Son of God disappeared from about 13 until he was 30 years old?
No one knew what he did, yet he was known to be the son of a God.
Just open up your mind. You can still be a good person or a bad person its your choice.
zeffur: You obviously have no integrity to write the truth & no fit mind to understand it.
I'm done with sharing anything with you because your mind isn't right in any way.
murrayduan: zeff, Yes it is a Theory, but a Theory proven by Facts,
I would love to hear about your Theory of Creationism and God and its support with Facts?
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: zeff, Yes it is a Theory, but a Theory proven by Facts,"
That ^^ is untrue. The facts do NOT prove the biased beliefs--at all or in any way.
re: "I would love to hear about your Theory of Creationism and God and its support with Facts?"
I'm not here to promote creationism--though I do believe intelligent design is the basis of creationism. Evolutioners have had 150 years to prove their biased beliefs---and failed miserable to do so. The fact that you've been duped by their con game is a sad testament to one of the failings of our society.
murrayduan: Here I found you something to read. It isn't designed to change your mind it only explains why Evolution is accepted as Fact by Science.
You can look at what is said and say you don't believe it because it contradicts what you want to believe. You will not be able to say you don't believe it because my Facts about Creationism are stronger.
Believe what you like but at least have some knowledge why Science believes.
murrayduan: So you believe in the new theory about life? What did you believe in before believers adopted evolutions facts as their own?
Intelligent Design is only about 25 years old or so. Assuming your older then 25 what did you buy into before?
How do you say Intelligent Design is the basis of Creationism when its so new? Creationism is about 2000 years old?
Did you just wander about with no clue until 25 years ago and said that's it?
murrayduan: zeff Yoy say" You obviously have no integrity to write the truth & no fit mind to understand it."
Tell me what I posted was not true or supported by Facts? This should be good?
Not to rain on your parade early on but disagreeing with educated minds of those who show Evolution to have and be occurring is not prove my posts were not true.