Yet another god doesnt exist thread. (Page 4)

zeffur
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Pffffffft ok you generalise away

Ok, want to generalise?


All religious people are evil controlling murderous bastards...
Your religious brethren don't have a very good track record regarding morals or decency...



Remember:

The Spanish Inquisition?
Salem witch trials
Buddhist Burma
Thuggee Murders
Mountain Meadows Massacre
Roman Persecution of Christians
Aztec Human Sacrifice
Islamic Jihads


All in the name of various deities!
Need I go on???
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Motati
Motati: My wish is for us to reflect, let us do introspection, be brutally honest to yourself. You don't need to share it with us here or anybody, and ask yourself if your God is really proud of what you do.
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "Angry Beaver: I didn't type all--but those that have a noteable world record have quite a bad one. What so 20 or 30 are bad, so we all get tarred the same?"

I see no superior morals or ethics offered from your brethern--so, we have to consider what we know about their characters. Atheism is at the core of evolution. We see such a goofy notion takes hold of a confused mind & is then forcibly taught in schools to innocent children--which is a shame to fill their minds with such unproven rubbish.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Dude, do you know every atheist in the world?? There's quite a lot of us going quietly about our business being decent folk and doing the right thing

Atheism and evolution are NOT tied irrevocably ffs

Atheists are nowhere near as bloodthirsty and evil as religious folk ^^ as per my above post
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: If youre going there, I'm going.... hasta
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Motati
Motati: I have seen more none judgemental, sharing, kindness and love from "alcoholics and prostitutes" than I have seen from people who see themselves as holy. That itself must tell you something is definitely not right.
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zeffur
zeffur: I'm not concerned about those that go quietly about their business--I am however concerned about those who perpetuate teaching beliefs to children that are not proven fact/knowledge. That unnecessarily causes a lot of concern & consternation for many parents when they see their innocent chidren being told what they are being taught is true when it is in fact not proven to be true. It's isn't knowledge based on proven fact--it is biased belief being taught as scientific fact/truth--which it most certainly is not.
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Motati
Motati: "which is a shame to fill their minds with such unproven rubbish." There you go again, and what you believe in has been scientifically proven?
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zeffur
zeffur: Never met an atheist that believe God created the universe. What think ye they belief then about life on earth??
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zeffur
zeffur: I don't go about telling anyone my 'belief' is 'scientific fact' when it has never been proven scientifically to be true. A person can't honestly say something is scientific fact when it hasn't been scientifically proven to be true & it therefore is not knowledge to be known.

I'm quite conspicuous in my *beliefs* & I don't require it to be taught to children in school because it is not proven to be true.
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Motati
Motati: "I'm not concerned about those that go quietly about their business--I am however concerned about those who perpetuate teaching beliefs to children that are not proven fact/knowledge." Aren't you doing the same?

Maybe you should live your life, and allow other people to live their lives without judging them.
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zeffur
zeffur: Maybe we should all agree that our PUBLIC education system should not teach anything that hasn't been proven to be true (ie. not teach anything except facts/knowledge/truth) to our kids.

Evolution is not a scientific fact. It has never been scientifically proven to be true. Anyone who claims it is a scientific fact is a dishonest liar or an ignorant person who spews untruth.
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Motati
Motati: I agree with you we should stop the whole indoctrination rubbish.

"Evolution is not a scientific fact. It has never been scientifically proven to be true. Anyone who claims it is a scientific fact is a dishonest liar or an ignorant person who spews untruth"

I think we should not get into people's turf on this one. If we are not scientists we don't have any saying. The fortunate thing with the universities is that there is no age restriction and there are no vicious dogs at the entrance stopping you to register and study. Once you are a qualified scientist then you can make those utterances.

So let's all stay in our lanes. That will make our world a better place to live in.
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "I think we should not get into people's turf on this one. If we are not scientists we don't have any saying."

I completely disagree. As educated adults we should be shown the evidence to see for ourselves whether or not it is sound & have the right to demand that it is pulled from the k-12 education curriculum, if it isn't scientifically proven to be true (which it is clear to me that it is not proven to be true at all or in any way).
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Motati
Motati: zeffur, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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murrayduan
murrayduan: Zeffur 99% of scientists believe evolution has and is occurring.

Knowing that if everything you take as medication, or consumed as food or activities was given a 99% approval for safety you would not hesitate to use or consume it.

Same with evolution it is that firmly believed in by those who have researched it for us.
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murrayduan
murrayduan: In school it is taught vaccine's have been produced to eliminate infections, many diseases have been eradicated, certain activities help or harm humans, diet impacts your health, vital organs can be replaced, etc etc. Now are all those things 100% effective and successful, No but if it's 99% or even less it is taught as proven to work or be effective and true.
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murrayduan
murrayduan: zeffur did you really say this:

"Because life is riddled with atheists who pretended the same thing & whenever they gain sufficient power massive amounts of people suffer from their lack of wisdom & cruelty"

How cold you not know the suffering and wars before and ongoing by claimed God fearing religious zealots? Yikes

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zeffur
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: Zeffur 99% of scientists believe evolution has and is occurring."

That ^^ is an opinion, not a fact. In truth, 100% of the scientist who believe in evolution accept it as true--that doesn't mean it is true. Analogies with diseases, medicine, vaccinations, etc do not prove evolution is true.

Do you "know* evolution is a fact or do you just *believe* it is a fact?
For a fact to exist--it must be true. To claim evolution is a scientific fact one must scientifcally prove that it is a fact or one cannot honestly call it a fact because it isn't knowledge.

You can't seriously believe humans evolved from primordial goo into plants before coming who we are. There is NO sequence of transitional fossil to prove such a belief is true, no DNA to prove so, & what they call natural selection is nothing more than the genetic variations that are possible in good old fashion heredity. There is also no proof that the concept of a human common ancestors is a real. In short, evolution is a heaping pile of shite--nothing more. What the fossil record actually shows is fully formed organisms without ANY transitional fossil evidence to prove otherwise. The tree of life concept has also been proven to be false. No competent person who has examined the evidence carefully & logically could possibly believe in the myth of evolution unless s/he is mentally lacking in some serious way/s.

Here's what some people believe is an ancestor of humans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus)

If you look at that skeleton, you can clearly see it has no head, hands, or feet. How could any honest credible human being arrive at the conclusion that such a skeleton is an ancestor of humans?? The answer is that some people have made drawings of what they 'believe' Lucy looked like. They've told a story that some people believe is possible, & they claim 'scientifcally' that it is a fact. In truth--it is not a fact. At best that is the fossilized remains of some extinct ape/chimp & it is impossible to know how such a creature appeared from the remains. The fact is that they are not even sure all of the bones in that collection are Lucy's bones because the bones come from an area over 1.5 miles in radius & up to 200 ft deep & they don't even really know if Lucy is a female--of course all of that information is not readily known by the public nor shared in the Wiki article. The fact that some people claim that such a fossil is proof of our ancestors is just evidence of how perverse our 'scientific' & education systems have become.

You are of course free to continue to believe in whatever fairy tales that you wish.
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murrayduan
murrayduan: Yes it is a fact.

It can be proven.

Funny you would mention "Fairy Tale" when talking about Evolution vs Creationism. Only one is a Tale the other can be shown to have occurred.

There is a reason embryos look alike and the embryo of a fish, salamander, Tortoise, Chick, Calk and Human are indistinguishable from each other because of the common origin. Only after the DNA has formed the embryo into its true form can one see it is Human or a Fish.

Of course every species that ever lived has not been fossilized but we have enough to make the connection.
We know Whales descended from Land Animal and they still have the bine structure for fingers in their flipper. They also still have hips. A ancestor of the whale skeleton that was 50 million years old was found that had hoofs.

The fossil record is as complete as is needed to support evolution.

The spread of species is another proof of evolution. Same species can be found on different land masses miles apart whose original ancestors are traced to a period before the land mass drifted apart. That is why a species can be found in Africa and South America that predated to the time of one Continent.

Other species can only be found in one area because its original ancestor was found to be formed after the Continental drift, thus it had no way to migrate to other parts of the world.

Anatomy also proves evolution.

Genetics and DNA also back up evolution,

Convergent evolution is another.

Plus we have seen evolution in real time.

Even the Bible has evolved over time. There was never a question that God created everything in 6 days. No question earth was 2000 years old.
But unfortunately the attempt to disprove Darwin and his Theory Creationism and the Bible were collateral damage, The facts simply prevailed.
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "murrayduan: zeffur did you really say this:

"Because life is riddled with atheists who pretended the same thing & whenever they gain sufficient power massive amounts of people suffer from their lack of wisdom & cruelty"

No, but I wrote it. The war between good & evil will go on until it is stopped by God one day.

re: "How cold you not know the suffering and wars before and ongoing by claimed God fearing religious zealots? Yikes""

I never asserted there was no suffering in wars that included 'religious zealots".
Frankly, I don't believe it is possible to have a real war without suffering--so, for you to suggest otherwise, is well, not true.

What I will add is the following: You appear to be making an assumption that religious zealots were the ones at fault in some war/s that you haven't defined & you haven't offered any evidence about. Whereas, in my cases, I specifically mentioned Stalin & Mao--and you can certainly find lots of facts about the millions of people who have died at their bidding. How do those millions compare to your undefined wars that may or may not have been the fault of 'religious zealots wars'?
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murrayduan
murrayduan: I guess I was not clear talking about the connection of Vaccines and medicines to the fact scientists said they were safe to use.

My point was Billions of people rely on the scientific consensus and acceptance of most things in order to have them accepted by Humans,

The fact that a 99% consensus is more the enough to convince others to ingest what could be fatal products.

Thus a 99% belief in Evolution by Scientists is the same standard we accept.

If it wasn't for the biggest money making business all time Religion interfering it would be more widely believed.

For anyone to have read up on evolution and Creationism, and conclude Creationism really happened is to me the gullibility of Humans. their fear of the unknown and power of Religion's influence
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zeffur
zeffur: re: " My point was Billions of people rely on the scientific consensus and acceptance of most things in order to have them accepted by Humans,..."

Because vaccines must be tested & proven to be efficatious--fairy tales about evolution cannot be proven.

Please show me how any variation in a bacterium or virus has 'evolved' into any other (i.e. non bacterium or virus) kind of creature.

re: "Thus a 99% belief in Evolution by Scientists is the same standard we accept."

No critical thinking person accepts such rubbish. They will certainly consider what such people say, but when the facts & their theories aren't proven--well that's when honest, rational, & intelligent people call bull shite on their fairy tale beliefs that are being claimed by some to be 'scientific fact'--when in reality to make such a claim there MUST BE proven scientific facts/truths/knowledge or such a claim is false--which it clearly is false. If you think otherwise, please show us proof that the THEORY of evolution is true/fact & not just biased beliefs masquerading as 'scientific fact' to try to bolster its obvious beliefs/claims.
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murrayduan
murrayduan: You also question incomplete skeletal remains and how we can conclude they are one and the same.

Just as today skeletal remains are identified as man or women, animal or human.

DNA also show 98.5 to 99% match between Chimps and Humans.

In Court of Law 99% is good enough to convict or prove Paternity. It is widely accepted.
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