Impeachment won't remove a sitting president? (Page 3)
theHating: Parnas and Fruman were arrested in october, after meeting with giuliani at Trump's DC Hotel for lunch, at the airport before flying to Latvia, where giuliani was supposed to meet them the next day. Parnas and Fruman have been charged with campaign finance violations, funneling foreign money into the campaigns of GOP candidates.
theHating: Well, everyone is reading the same transcript.. which also happens to not be a verbatim transcript of the july 25th phone call..
But, the big deal maker acknowledges ukraine interest in purchasing american firepower with "I would like you to do us a favor, though"
And then this little gem:
Trump]:I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation … I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
He and zelensky share a similar disdain for the crowdstrike corporation because they were the third party consulted by the Republican-lead mueller investigation to find out who hacked the DNC server.
Once upon a time, the GOP consulted this very same company under similar attacks against their own email servers...
But, nevertheless, trump wants a smear-campaign in exchange for military aid, clear as day, it hurts my head to think about why he would incriminate himself and encourage us to read the damning evidence of his inspirational deal-making abilities.
theHating: So crowdstrike found out that ukrainiains hacked the DNC, and the world powers are sort of pressuring the anti-corruption measures be taken to stop this sort of thing.
Hunter biden, who runs an anti-corruption firm, ends up working closely with burisma, who is working on implementing anti-corruption policies, hires biden for this exact duty. Biden fails and is fired for not investigating corruption. Subsequently, the lead prosecutor is shit-canned for the same reason. Then he makes up this story that biden had something to do with it, even though biden was never the subject of any investigation, he goes on to peddle this conspiracy that biden in fact WAS and that bidens efforts to get shokin shit-canned were meant to stop the non-existent investigation into hunter.
This is why everyone is calling it stupid watergate 2.
theHating: shokin claims that they are sweeping this whole biden thing under the rug. So, i think two separate investigations into that turned up the same result: there never was an investigation into biden that suddenly got terminated due to conspirators and their heavy influence...
Not only that, but no one seems to know how biden managed to get shokin shit-canned, all they keep saying is that he was the driving force.
Well, viktor shokin got fired literally for the same reason as hunter: not doing their job well enough.
It's weird how if you don't do your job, you get shit-canned, huh donald?
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theHating: So, now, we have people that think weird shit and also somehow believe we are unconstitutionally removing a president...
First, the process of Impeachment is not a trial, that happens in the Senate. Think of Impeachment like a grand jury, where the prosecutors are collecting evidence (the call notes, whistle-blower complaint and text records) and depositions from witnesses (all the ambassadors involved, giuliani) to create a list of charges (Articles of Impeachment) that the grand jury (house members) vote on
theHating: Grand Jury proceedings are secret, there is no counsel most times and there is no cross-examinations.
theHating: This process is not simple, it is not being weaponized against a legitimate president. People need to stop being so emotionally attached to donald and realize that he is only in his position at our expense, and we really couldn't afford it to begin with..
theHating: Hunter seemed intent on cashing in on the family name. And if any family is doing that, it's the family with Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka Trump.
KeithJ: if you watched it today,, yep confirmed,,,why in the hell did Dump lie in the first place all he did was make it into some thing to hang himself , what an idiot .
KeithJ: oh i guess the USA is now without appointing is making bumtard NY lawyers foreign operatives .
KeithJ: now go cry even though there was republicans on the stand telling the truth ,,,,,,,,
yep its coming ,, no wonder Putin and Dump love each other
john_pricegeo: Good READ...get educated! 😉
A very good article:
LET THEM GO AHEAD AND IMPEACH TRUMP.... HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS THEN......
By: Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD, (Political Science)
I have a degree in Political Science, and I am a card-carrying Libertarian. I've been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents. That said, I hope that the House of
Representatives impeaches Trump. Let me tell you what will happen next!
1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the
Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.
2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.
3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel
investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover up activities.
A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison.
All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath – and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.
4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe
that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will
determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and
destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.
They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros. After the Senate declines to convict the
President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.
So let's move on to impeachment.
Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD
john_pricegeo: Why re-invent the wheel when he said it perfectly. I use my researching brain instead of just talking out of my backside like some people.
theHating: "everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and
destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.
They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros."
None of this makes sense. If trump has any proof of it, he wouldn't wait for his own impeachment to expose it.
He would do like he promised and drain the swamp.