What is Donald Trump's Greatest Failure? (Page 80)
rmclark: Murry Couldn't they of dropped their ballot off at the Post Office on their way to the rally? You could be right, I don't know.
Fractured fairy tale: Nc Clark , Thats a really good point , I really don"t think people who voted for trump , Voted for Some one just to Act Presidentual , Like Some Used car Sales man , They voted for Some one to Change things
murrayduan: You might say that voter fraud is nonexistent? Well I believe its alive and well. "
This is the crazy part of all this. Until this President we never had this thought process. Trump knows he relies on a minority of Americans to be elected. He knows his supporters are for the most part Americas rejects and ostracized for their beliefs.
So why do you think it is alive and well? Only because Trump tells you it is. So you will believe one who is a serial liar while studies have been done repeatedly that over a 10 to 15 years period where over a Billion votes were cast fewer then 100 cases on intentional voter fraud were prosecuted.
Just as those same supporters defy what 99% of scientists say about Climate Change, Evolution, use and effectiveness of masks towards the virus.
Absolute idiocy based on idolization of a con man? WTF. How does an educated person rationalize this?
Other then those who benefit financially they cant. Scary.
murrayduan: rmclark: Murry Couldn't they of dropped their ballot off at the Post Office on their way to the rally? "
Well not if they are heading to a Trump Rally, remember those people believe what Trump says about anything no matter how ignorant it is.
They believe him when they are told don't trust the mail for voting, but hey no issues with receiving your paycheck, paying Bills, receiving medication, important documents, passports, etc.
Also ignore the fact tat he and his family vote by mail.
It is only unsafe to mail in ballots?
murrayduan: This is how scary voter fraud is, The Heritage Foundation said the number have increased to 1,285 cases of actual voter fraud in America.
Now they also say this list might not be comprehensive as some that were never prosecuted were not included. This has happened when a case was determined to not be intentional.
Now those startling numbers are for votes cast since 1979 and just for the Presidential elections I will estimate conservatively that about 4.5 Billion Americans voted for US President.
So 1285 known cases out of 4.5 Billion cast IMO does not represent massive voter fraud. But in Trump's Land of Confusion that is rampant? Yikes.
murrayduan: The same Heritage Foundation, who support Trump also claim :
"The U.S. has had 143 criminal convictions for absentee-ballot fraud (or .0006% of the total vote) over the past 20 years."
So again just another right wing Conspiracy.
rmclark: I guess I don't know that Trumps supporters are rejects. And for the ostracized part, I think that is a problem for the ostracizer of the two. I think most all Americans want all votes counted and each eligible voter to vote once. And those Trump supporters, I think most all are Americans and those peoples vote count just as much as yours. You show your personality by making the statement American rejects. " Boy you are a Big Boy on a web site"
You are right it is hardly prosecuted and I think it is so as I stated earlier on this OP. Of course that is my opinion. But it has been prosecuted. Years ago there was evidence in California when Bob Dornan ran. But not prosecuted. I'll agree that they are not guilty until found guilty. But it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I guess I missed the part about its ok for checks, Meds ect. But I'll be surprised if we don't hear some Dems complain about the mail ( Maybe not) . But your people already set the table for that one. I'm not mailing in mine. But then. I'm one of those rejects you spoke of.
I'll be you are a fun one to sit at the bar and have a beer with. ( sarc)
rmclark: Mury How did you get so smart and know what Trump and his supporters are thinking? YOU are an amazing person.
Campion: RM --- Trump and his supporters usually make it quite clear what they are thinking --- when they are thinking
murrayduan: rmclark: I guess I don't know that Trumps supporters are rejects. " "rmclark: Mury How did you get so smart and know what Trump and his supporters are thinking?
I will help you with that. White Supremacist's, White Nationalists, Racists, Misogynists, Uneducated, Science Deniers, Aryan Nation, Proud Boys, Neo Nazis, Religious Zealots who preach the word of a God yet are OK with a heathen who breaks all of their Commandments, his people in his administration that have been convicted of crimes and sentenced to jail, his serial lying friends who are pawns of Russia doing their bidding, those people.
The reason we all know what they are thinking is because all those I mentioned proudly boast of their idiocy.
Well I am the same size in person and express the same views.
Why do you think none of his supporters can explain why they support him or what Conservatives have done for all Americans the last 50 years?
Don't drink but if one isn't scared of the Facts they would enjoy a conversation.
I can honestly say not one Conservative in the last 12 years I have discussed Politics can explain their Conservative position or why they cry about Obama and Hillary without lying about it.
Not one. Anyone want to be the first???
murrayduan: But then. I'm one of those rejects you spoke of."
Why? Just once try explaining without Lies, woulda coulda shoulda, Conspiracies', unfounded claims about Hillary, Obama and Biden, but using actual Truths and Facts.
I can explain my dislike of Trump using Facts and Truths.
Give it a try.
Fractured fairy tale: So Focused on Russia , Russia an"t a Threat to The Empire , China Is Why they want to grab your Manafacturing Base of Twaian , And The Banking Capitol of Hong Kong , Both what gives the Empire Acess to the Asian markets , Loose them it will be like the british loosing the Sewers Cannell , It will be over for America being the reserve Currancy , as it was for the brittish
rmclark: When we started messaging a few weeks ago you asked Why I have conservative Views and I answered Unfortunately for you, well more fortunately for me, you don't decide what I think or believe. With all the Bogus "facts" out there with all the media, I think reasonable people should take everything with many grains of salt and a few shots of Jack Daniels and chill. But that's just me.
Actually, I basically don't care what you think. You may be educated, I don't know, But so are some Trumpers. It doesn't make you any smarter or right. In fact in my opinion when you talk others down, it makes you look weaker. But that's just me. These days, if you don't read or watch information with an open mind and know who and understand who is behind the study or news report. You could be shorting yourself. If you are taking everything hook line and sinker what Fox , MSNBC,CNN. any of them. You should just think a little more about it. I think one should also take about 8oz of Jack Daniels and sit back and think about what you just heard. Everyone gets tied up in this "crap" and need to be more worried about the issues. Also, don't get all wrapped up in what the "real smart" people on line say.
You mention above one of your thoughts that I want to point out and think you are wrong. ( but I could be wrong) I've been called most of those labels you listed (people who don't know me and I wonder how they know) But you say they are ok with all the things that you listed. I don't know anyone who is ok with things you mentioned.
I'm just wondering, Do you believe that Joe had withheld the loan to Ukraine until they fired that prosecutor?
PS You ask me to give examples and references for my facts. I've noticed you rarely do the same.. Also I noticed that often you make statements as facts. Really at best they are opinions
murrayduan: With all the Bogus "facts" out there with all the media, "
Here you go again, the claims without anything to support them? That is the Conservative MOI. What bogus Facts. Give some examples if you know any.
Talk about an Oxymoron. How can you have a bogus fact? It is a Fact or a lie.
I am beginning to see your issues, You believe Booze is the answer? WTF?
If you would put down the Jack Daniels and practice what you preach you might be able to explain yourself better.
You say: . I don't know anyone who is ok with things you mentioned."
Yet you know those who support Trump as you also do. If you support one who is all of the things I mentioned you are OK with what he did and does. Why is that so hard to understand?
Are you trying to say you disagree with most things Trump does but you support him anyhow?
That is insane.
mclark: I'm just wondering, Do you believe that Joe had withheld the loan to Ukraine until they fired that prosecutor?"
This is a great opportunity to learn something, thanks for the question. Yes he did withhold aid to Ukraine to urge the ouster of the top prosecutor.
But if you would simply do the research or look into the claims with an open mind and learn the Truth you will sound less confused.
The International Community was pushing for the removal of Ukraine's top prosecutor because he was not pursuing corruption.
One more time he was to be removed for not going after corruption. That wasn't even a question until Trump tried to turn it around to get some traction against Biden.
That is why Trump supporters are ridiculed for being blind to the obvious. Trump and his people, create the problems with actions and lies then try to turn that around on others.
Trump supporters will get involved in Demonstrations cause much of the violence then Trump can say see the Demonstrations are burning the Country down.
Conservatives have been involved in much of the small numbers of irregularities with voting then Trump can say see it is a fraudulent election.
He decimates the Country with his inaction on the Virus losing millions of jobs, now as some recovery occurs he says look I just created millions of jobs? WTF?
Yes we have been talking back and forth for a while yet you have not explained why you support Conservatives. You have offered inane posts about Hillary, Biden, Fake News, Opinions but nothing concrete or defensible.
Just as you were trying to implicate Biden over the international call to remove Ukraine's Prosecutor as somehow sinister, you are not using common sense and rely on facts not accusations. The information is available, but you have to want to see it even when it contradicts what you want to believe.
Still waiting for some explanation why you support Conservatism or maybe what have Conservatives done for all Americans the last 50 years?
murrayduan: You ask me to give examples and references for my facts. I've noticed you rarely do the same.. Also I noticed that often you make statements as facts. Really at best they are opinions"
Here we go again. WTF is the matter with people.
I don't remember asking for a reference for a fact, if it is a Fact I wont need a reference LMAO
Here is your chance. list a few of my Facts that are opinions? Looking forward to this.
I truly believe you have no concept of what a Fact or Opinion is and that might be your problem.
I have posted the definition of both in our conversing but apparently you missed them. That is how you support Facts.
So list some of my Facts that you think are opinions.
murrayduan: rmclark: When we started messaging a few weeks ago you asked Why I have conservative Views and I answered "
This is the real problem in a nut shell.
You believe crying about what Obama did, Hillary did, or something you read on Fox is an explanation about why you support Conservatism?
If you believe your support of Conservatism and Trump is your belief in misinformation and outright lies. then you have some issues to deal with. Go back and look at your post and see how much of what you said was based on lies and misinformation.
That is like Creationists explaining their belief in Creation being the beginning of life because the Theory of Evolution does not provide them all the answers they need.
They don't have anything to support what they want to believe so they say, I believe in Creationism because the Theory of Evolution hasn't provided me the missing link?
Well that explanation did not hold up in Court either as the Judge said "Just because I am not Bob does not mean I am Bill.
Tell me why you support Trump and Conservatism based on their agendas and actions, not based on misinformation and lies you read about the other side.
rmclark: Murry in thinking I might have a drinking problem, Let me assure you I don't. This thought that I might, just could be a symptom that you may have a reading -comprehension problem known as presumptuousassumititus. Its a disorder that is most common among highly educated left wing democrats. You might look into it. I said "I think reasonable people should take everything with many grains of salt and take a few shots of Jack Daniels and chill" I didn't say I do read and watch and decide what I believe.
So I do have to ask. If Fox comes out with something that you don't agree with Do you automatically agree with some lefty "Fact check"? If you do you may have. I want to say it again. You "May" have a case of leftititus. Its not confirmed how many cases are out there as people don't go in and get screened, but it is believed that the numbers of cases are more severe the last 4 years. I've seen a few people get over this sometime between their college years and the 2nd or 3rd year after they open their own business and start having to conform to lefty laws and taxes.
Why I DO support I did tell you Just because you think my thoughts are lies doesn't mean they are. You have a lefty mind and "I don't think" you have an open mind. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Your question should be. Some conservative out there Change my mind on being a lefty.. AS I said before. I don't care what you think. If you think some of my beliefs are lies, I really don't care.
Do you really think Trump is responsible for all the covid deaths. And do you think if Hillary were president we would nave none?
murrayduan: . This thought that I might, just could be a symptom that you may have a reading -comprehension"
Hmmm You said" I think reasonable people should take everything with many grains of salt and a few shots of Jack Daniels and chill. But that's just me"
Also: " I think one should also take about 8oz of Jack Daniels and sit back and think about what you just heard. "
I think my reading comprehension is just fine, if you don't want others to conclude you have a drinking problem then don't offer it as a solution to being able to chill or understand what they read? Your words not mine.
" I said "I think reasonable people should take everything with many grains of salt and take a few shots of Jack Daniels and chill" I didn't say I do "
Well we are making progress you now admit you are not a reasonable person. Ok then, you should have led off with that.
I have no clue what Fox comes out with I just know studies show those who watch Fox are less informed then people who watch no news at all. So when you say things off the wall I believe you must have saw it on Fox the Conservative source of information.
I am flattered you continue to want questions answers from me, but you must reciprocate.
Let me repeat, what Bogus Facts are you talking about? Give me examples.
Why do you support Conservatism, if as you say you told me, then repeat a couple you posted. I missed them.
Will you give ne an example of Facts that are Opinions? Your words.
What have Conservative done for all Americans the last 50 years?
Why do you think supporting one like Trump does not mean you are OK with all the terrible things he has done? How do you separate them?
Again I enjoy answering questions as it provides some Facts to you, but I need some of my questions answered also.
That is how it is done. When I answered the question about Biden you asked I then supported what I said with Facts.
So when you make a claim about Bogus Facts, give me a few.
When you say some Facts are Opinions list a few.
When you mention "lefty fact check list some so we have a clue what your talking about.
When you talk of thoughts you claim I think are lies, list them so we know which ones you are referring to.
This isn't really hard to do, just explain what you are talking about. If I believe your Opinion is a lie, then I show you why. Do the same.
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