Should we allow people who are genetically male play in women's sports? (Page 8) freedomfirst1797: Sure... no reason unless you want to give women a chance to win in any event that involves strength or stamina. No reason at all.....Just combine them into one unisex group and see what happens.... freedomfirst1797: And while you are at it, why do we separate boxers and weight lifters into weight categories? Combine them too. See what happens.  sunluver: Absolutely not!! The fact that this issue even exists, shows what a crazy and insane time it is. Sadly, it just keeps on gettin' crazier and crazier. Get out and VOTE!  Fractured fairy tale: Bit Late Now Every one When Men protraying them selves as women or the other way around are Hoised As Hero"s on the World Satage as They were in the recent Olympics Lesson too be learned here Speak Up early don"t Let People shut you Up with giuilt Trips and manipulation , Some other Event Could Happen and no One will be able too stop it say Mandatory vaccinations or something ,In Direct Contrevention of the Nuremberg code But that will never Happen  (Edited by Fractured fairy tale)  ZeusMother: Many people in here dont seem to understand nor to care how transformation works and that it does have an affect on body strength etc (through hormone therapy). Apart from that many cis athletes have a biological advantage of some sort based on how their body is built (and have often broken records because of that advantage). The implications that this is remotely a trans athlete thing isn't based on any factual evidence. https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/pennsylvania-legislature-transgender-sports-ban-bill-20210414.html  xylance: No, wrong, it doesnt change the body, you can change the organs (turn them inside out) but the dna does not alter. Sex chromosone is found in every cell of the human body not just the genitalia. Men have bigger skeletons, bigger lungs, higher bone density, more muscle mass...none of which is changed by turning your sex organs inside out. Men can beat women at sports. The male swimmer who just became the female champion failed to do so as a man so his only option was to cheat by competing against women. We shouldnt be encouraging people to cheat or bully there way into womens changing rooms. We now have the weird, uncomfortable, situation when you go to buy clothes the changing rooms are unisex...of course normal people naturally segregate and go to their own sides. Only a f'kin weirdo would choose to go and change infront of the opposite sex. Its not a coincidence that all these failed male atheletes keep "changing" into women and suddenly become champions. Lets call them what they are.....cheats. (Edited by xylance) ZeusMother: Your dna also plays a factor in cis athletes advantages and yet u don't shut out a male cis swimmer who has won 13 races in a row and broken every record in the book because of a proven body advantage he has (longer arms, short torso and legs) over the average man. Curious how "fairness" is applied very arbitrary here.  Adam Southworth: Diversity is good for some, but bad for others. Rather than add a new element, sometimes the order which results destroys the good which drew this element. We live in a world of scarce resources in which the right to goods - the right to compete, to food, space, homes, jobs, and the like - will often deprive others who aspire to the same. The right of some transgender athletes to compete against women is a stark example. If you give these "women" this unqualified right, you diminish the well-being of future women who are forced to compete with them. (Edited by Adam Southworth) freedomfirst1797: @Adam.... the problem here is that the radical elites have decided to elevate the rights of transgenders (a very small percentage of the population) over those of biological females (approximately half of the population) rather than finding a better solution. As you aptly pointed out, there is competition for things, and some governing body needs to create and enforce rules. What they have done in this case is make the rights of one group sacrosanct, and the other disposable and unimportant. But at least this is consistent with all their other rules, since they believe the remedy for racism isn't to end it, but rather to create racist policies penalizing"the group who was racist." So they seek to make it "fairer" for transgenders by making it "less fair" for biological females. Adam Southworth: @freedomfirst1797 Couldn't agree more, freedom. We should be more objective and treat different groups with the same respect. Women should not have their sports destroyed by members of a group it would take a millennia long Spartan eugenics programme to best. The pro-female arguments seem quite coherent to me. Biology determines sex, not subjective beliefs; the inclusion of transgender people dilutes and undermines the definition of "woman" and the female identity; and the differences between men and women, such as men being more prone to violence and sexual assault, make the case for female spaces. And while many of the women who make these arguments are blackened as "transphobes", "bigots" or "terfs", we know they support the rights of women, not hate against anyone else. A while ago I heard a story about a music teacher forbidden to teach Handel and Beethoven because of their "involvement in colonialism." Again, the attempt to placate a minority at the expense of the rest. There were also trigger warnings put on poets like Keats and Wordsworth in my country, and demands that ancient Greek/Roman sculptures "explain their whiteness". One small fanatical group steamrolls the culture for the sensitive ones. (Edited by Adam Southworth) Adam Southworth: YouTube Look how far ahead of the pack Lia Thomas finished. This was worse than the South Park tyre-rolling sketch. We should respond to reality, not defy nature because biological determinism savours of Nazism. Instead, we play king Cnut and attempt to command the tides. We need to wake up. *stings sleepwalkers awake* Anyone who wants to hear an exceptional women's rights advocate should listen to Kelly-Jay Keen. YouTube No sign of hatred for transgender people, but no time for vacuous ideology at the expense of her group. YouTube (Edited by Adam Southworth) laffer80: Men should play men’s sports. Women should play women’s sports. It’s laughable that there are people who think otherwise. Lol Adam Southworth: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut#/media/File:Canute_Reproving_His_Courtiers.png King Cnut, a hero of our time. Get with the programme, laffer. (Edited by Adam Southworth) laffer80: King Cnut. died 12 November 1035. A hero of “our time”? How old are you Adam? 😂 I do believe even in 1035 they knew what a man and a woman was. 😁 Adam Southworth: I'm in my 30s, so I allow a bit of leeway in my time-frames. A few centuries off Nonetheless, the spirit of king Cnut is eternal. The spirit of defiance of reality, laffer. We, and those who come after us, have much to learn from his example. I suggest we take his heroism catechistically 😂 Indeed, most men of the 11th century walked in the light of truth; but even then there were paragons of ignorance like king Cnut to raise the beacon of a blind-folded denial of evidence, reason and common sense aloft. Let no one excuse, or attempt to absolve, the people of that time by saying they knew no better: for theirs was the age of king Cnut. (Edited by Adam Southworth)  lori100: Republicans introduce 'Women's Bill of Rights' to protect accomplishments, ensure safety of biological females laffer80: Lori 👍. Republicans have to stand up for women who are being attacked by Democrats via a war on women. | Politics Chat Room 70 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
