If you're NOT a feminist, you ARE sexist. (Page 3)
Sir Loin: Feminism is NOT anti sexism. Feminism is pure sexism.
It is an evil which must be eradicated before it does any more harm to society.
Feminism has outlived its purpose, it was needed 50 years ago or more, now women have all the rights and men have very few, yest feminasties are trying to take away the very few human rights men have left.
Yes I can name several feminasties: Gloria Steinem, Clementine Ford, Germaine Greer, My first wife. Just google some of the comments made by the first 2... Preaching violence and torture for men.
Can you give me just one example of where feminism is beneficial to society? Where it is needed still?
theHating: "Can you give me just one example of where feminism is beneficial to society? "
Yes, i can.
on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
Im not sure how other people can honestly call themselves feminists and preach hatred on the basis of equality of the sexes, but rulers can't measure themselves.
I have also heard of people calling themselves "true christian" as if that means something, or a "true moderate" as if that means something.
What do you think of real feminists like elaine showalter, jean baker miller, or how about toril moi?
theHating: If you call yourself a moderate, but you act like a radical... Then you're definitely not a moderate lol
Sir Loin: Equality of the sexes? So you'd prefer women to lose many of their rights and have them returned to men? That would be equality!
theHating: Its simple, if you are not a feminist, you are by implication of the definition of the word, sexist.
Sir Loin: I believe in equality, not just of sexes but cultures, ability or disability. This is why I am antifeminism
Sir Loin: I have travelled extensively and feminism really only exists in the west where it is not needed. In many 3rd world countries it is needed but is held to ridicule
Sir Loin: Feminist theory and feminist practice are not the same thing. They aren't even close the theory is good where it's needed, the practice is evil and destructive
theHating: : I have travelled extensively ( ) and feminism really only exists in the west (actual feminism actually began in france like way way back) where it is not needed.(based on what?) In many 3rd world countries it is needed but is held to ridicule (i would argue real feminism does not exist where women are treated unequally on the basis of there sex. Also it's not all about women, you should really check out feminist theory. It includes ALL the ways you ever-masculine dudes are discriminated against too )
theHating: Look, if you dont agree with being labelled a feminist because you think it was designed to feminize men, i could understand.
But if you assert that it should be illegal to discriminate against ANYONE on the basis of sex: you ARE a feminist.
And if you do discriminate against someone on the basis of sex, YOU ARE NOT A FEMINIST.
How do you regard?
Sir Loin: I refuse to be classified as a feminist because of the sexist rantings of the Steinems and Fords in the movement.
Male and female are equal in my world, not the same thankfully but equal. My wife and I have equal say in most things, I don't mind that her income is higher than mine (in NZ most women have higher income), I don't mind staying home and keeping house for her, when we have a baby I will enjoy being a stay at home Dad.
We work as a team, she has vision and I have the practical skills to make her vision become reality. Neither of us imposes our will on the other and neither of us would put up with it anyway.
Actually I think feminism began in NZ, it was here that women first gained the vote.
The problem is, here it has gone too far; women earn more, live longer, have better health care and far more legal rights than men, especially in the family court/ property law fields. Women also have greater choice of career options than men do. Male suicides also outnumber female by a huge margin. Domestic violence in NZ is very heavily weighted towards women with over 10x the number of female offenders but few of them are prosecuted unless death is involved.
theHating: As per usual, you're just not getting it.
I mean you understand the premise, but then you are allowing the way you feel about facts to equivocate discrimination to feminism.
Clearly your position (not that you are the only one) makes no sense. And if you care so much about the situation in NZ, you would STILL advocate for equality on the basis of sex. Period.
You would still be a feminist.
chronology: One of the most controversial points made in women's rights was the right of women to abort female babies. This was and is something that happenes often among some ethnic groups. It is just outrageous that little girls are killed like this. But Women's Rights Group's have been supportive of these bitches killing the little girls. They say if a couple would rather have a boy then it is a womans right to terminate a girl in the womb.
theHating: I think the more disconcerting thing here is that you mentioned that you have anti-feminist views.
In your own words, what is that all about? Do you reject the way feminism is being used by movements to push down men, or do you just reject feminism outright?
I think if you saw it as more of a spectrum instead of one thing, you would realize how silly you sound.
theHating: "They say"
Often far right fringey tin foil hat people view a liberal concept as radical even though they themselves are part of that liberal concept and making their judgement from the polar end of one side.
Literally everything liberal disagrees with your position because your position is the only ONE on one side of the spectrum.
From your guy's point of view, everything is black and white. That can be a very dangerous intellectual presupposition. I urge you all to reconsider your positions.