Comparing Roe v. Wade to Alabama's heart beat abortion law (Page 56)
kittybobo34: Super,, But, the republicans were for liberal causes before the civil war. It was the Republicans that were against states rights, and for civil rights, had a plan give land to the slaves,(40 acres and a mule), to repatriate the blacks if they wanted to go back to africa.... in effect they have switched platforms with the democrats over the last 150 years.
Super Esquire: Kitty, don't mistake social justice programs for civil rights programs. Civil rights is on front end, declaring equal opportunity, but social justice programs are on the back end, seeking equal outcomes. Repubs have always been for civil rights. But think social justice programs are problematic, and can often lead to genocide, the democrat's baileywick. I'll post a video on the southern switch myth.
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Angry Beaver: At an ecumenical round-table discussion, various religious leaders tried to answer the question "When does life start?"
"At conception," said the Catholic priest.
"No, no," said the Presbyterian minister. "It begins at birth."
"It's in between," said the Baptist. "Life begins at 12 weeks when the fetus develops a functional heartbeat."
"I disagree with all of you," said the rabbi. "Life begins when your last child leaves home and takes the dog with him."
kittybobo34: Lifes start has nothing to do with heart beats. Medical people declare you dead when your brain stops. Seems the logical thing would be to consider the fetus a person with rights when its brain starts, ie a brain wave pattern. That happens at about 5 months, prior to that its flesh with no person inside.
kittybobo34: Blackshoes, who said it had nothing to do with life,, what it doesn't have anything to do with is personhood, being an individual. Brain dead people also have a heartbeat, but they aren't there.
Blackshoes: In other words, they're alive and worthy of life', without someone deciding on their worth to themself and others
Blackshoes: "There will be over 3,500 killed in USA today from abortion. No flags lowered, no presidents crying. No media hyperventilating. Normal day."
" former Planned Parenthood employee Abby Johnson, denounced abortion services in graphic terms and said she was told to push for them in her former job.
“I was expected to sell double the abortions performed the previous year,” she said. “When I pushed back, underscoring Planned Parenthood’s public-facing goal of decreasing abortions, I was reprimanded and told abortion is how we make our money."
Johnson added: “I know what abortion smells like. Did you know abortion even had a smell? I’ve been the perpetrator to these babies, to these women."
kittybobo34: Apparently Gov. policies are working. Since sex ed, and planned parenthood, the number of abortions is down. even though the population is going up.
Super Esquire: Kitty wrote: "Lifes start has nothing to do with heart beats. Medical people declare you dead when your brain stops. Seems the logical thing would be to consider the fetus a person with rights when its brain starts, ie a brain wave pattern. That happens at about 5 months, prior to that its flesh with no person inside."
Kitty, there is a difference between brain activity of a cadaver versus brain activity of fetus. In a fetus. Not only is there potential for life and brain activity, but much potential for growth, as well. It is like saying 12 pm and 12 am are the same thing because it is both 12:00, or that dawn and dusk are both the same thing bc the sun isn't in the sky. If we selfishly take the life of others, we will have to face their faces in the next world, and give account for all of our actions in this life. It makes me shudder, thinking of it.
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kittybobo34: Super , Your religious requirements are not much of an argument. So in your point of view the woman has no say about her body or future parenthood she may not be able to do.
Super Esquire: Sure, there are exceptions to the general rule that we should err on the side of life, in a civilized society. We have discussed the rape exception, for instance.
Kitty do believe that we have souls inside our bodies? Probably not, just superstition, right?
kittybobo34: Super,, I don't know, seriously doubt it. I think like a computer when you turn it off, the software is gone. Just how that mental software could be duplicated in some other dimension is beyond me. They say there are other dimensions. so its possible I guess.