Comparing Roe v. Wade to Alabama's heart beat abortion law (Page 51) kittybobo34: Exactly,, couldn't have said it better Gramma. You know they determine death as brain dead, when they disconnect the life support.. wouldn't the same apply to a fetus.. When there is a functioning brain it obtains personhood status.. As far as I have heard, that happens at about 22 months.  Blackshoes: Exodus was written by Moses, Moses made mistakes. Besides: as Kitty is so fond of saying It's not a biblical issue. It's a moral and legal issue. A man or woman that disregards the baby life is in no way moral or righteous . Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Abortion can never be safe. Any procedure where "success" means the killing of another human being can certainly not be safe. Abby Johnson (Edited by Blackshoes)  (Post deleted by Super Esquire )  Super Esquire: Gramma: "I also do not believe that I have the right to tell someone else what they can do with their body." Drug use, prostitution, euthanasia, payment of taxes, child support, drafting into military service, wearing covid masks, etc....the government tells people what to do with their bodies, all the time. That is mainly what the government does. Like forcing people to pay taxes, is a form of commandeering their bodies for government service. (Edited by Super Esquire) Super Esquire: Gramma: you are right the fetus or pre baby is an inchoate person, not fully formed physical person. But the fetus or pre-baby, was not unilaterally grown from a women's body like the hair grown from her hair folical, or finger nails grown from fingers. Should the fetus or pre-baby have the same status as hair or finger nails that can be cut apart and thrown away at will, especially when another party was involved in the formation of a child, namely males? Children are our national resource, the futurity of culture and a people. (Edited by Super Esquire) Super Esquire: Kitty: Even brain dead or comma people have rights, as long as heart beats, we have a life. (Edited by Super Esquire) Super Esquire: Historical note** the Jim crow types viewed former slaves and their progeny as inchoate persons mentally, justifying in their minds segregation and keeping their kids away from those dirty blanks. (Edited by Super Esquire)  (Post deleted by Account Closed ) Fractured fairy tale: Super glue Dude sorry , The suppreame Cort Just Upheld it , So all this Hype of Trump stacking the Suppreame Court with "conservative" judges was a load of Media Hype as Usual to get every one Argueing against eachother , jim Crow was over turned in the 60"s Super Esquire: Kitty's point is about brain death. What we have in fetuses or prebabies is brain futurity or potentiality, the opposite of death but life. If you wouldn't be aborted, then you wouldn't abort. (Edited by Super Esquire) Fractured fairy tale: Hey its not my Decision I dont need America or any other Country to tell me wright from wrong Super Esquire: Fairy, I didn't argue the case on the supreme court. Much of what is being argued is not on point. The person vs property metric has never been litigated in this context. (Post deleted by Account Closed ) Fractured fairy tale: Yes it was Super This Row V wade Drama , Da da da DAH , That was Symphony type Music , Was Brought Up before the 2016 election , Im sorry dude you took the Bait Fractured fairy tale: Hey Its Not hard To be baited by the Media , Im not Immune to that , Its out of Control Super Esquire: People who were thought to be brain dead have been known to awake. Life support can keep the vitals going. (Post deleted by Account Closed ) (Post deleted by Account Closed ) (Post deleted by Account Closed ) Fractured fairy tale: Doctors took a Hypoctraic oath to preserve life , Every one Is argueing ove Technecalities In the Law , The point is People are Making Decisions that will affect them for the rest of there Life , And Mabye will Come back to Haunt them for Many Years (Edited by Fractured fairy tale) Fractured fairy tale: Thats the Thing about American Law , One Case Sets a Precident of how Further Cases will be handled , Watch Iron side or something then you will get the Drift , These days it comes down to Cleebrity Lawers , More Bucks your got better off you are , Thats True in all law Systems tho Super Esquire: Gramma, not disputing your definition but am writing that brain dead and brain potentiality that fetus has, are not the same thing. Lack of brain activity is different from a fetus /pre-baby verses a soon to be corpse. The fetus has brain potentiality, a latent form of brain activity. Like kinetic verses latent energy. (Edited by Super Esquire) | Politics Chat Room 65 People Chatting Similar Conversations |