Comparing Roe v. Wade to Alabama's heart beat abortion law (Page 43)

Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Oh your tell the Truth all of a Sudden what about the Millions of Venezuelians what about the Millions of Refugees forced to cross the Medatraian . Don't care about any of that what about the Millions of Palestinians that have been uprooted by the Hyper Milaterized Allie
No just want to make a Issue outa something. Cos Trump tells ya
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Blackshoes: "Abortion: The Most Devastating Genocide in History

2018 is the Year of Justice at Human Coalition, and we’ll spend this year exploring why abortion shouldn’t be framed as some sort of political issue – it is a spiritual issue, a family issue, a justice issue.
I usually hesitate to use the word issue when describing abortion, because it may cause some people to think abortion is somehow morally equal to other “issues” such as taxes, a border wall, or FISA memos.
To accurately describe what abortion in America is, I usually use the term genocide. And, as noted by the quote below, the phrase “abortion genocide” typically isn’t received well by the public:
“When you refer to abortion as ‘genocide,’ you sound like an idiot. And you degrade and demean those people groups who have ACTUALLY been victims of genocide, like Jews, Armenians, and Rwandans.”
I receive comments like this on the Human Coalition blog and in person with some frequency.
Yet I don’t think there is a better descriptor for the 60 million preborn children whose lives have been snuffed out as our culture continues to bow to the god of sex – a god who demands human sacrifice as a fundamental act of worship.
So is it accurate to refer to American abortion as genocide?
The general definition of genocide is “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.”
Deliberate killing – elective abortion is most certainly deliberate. Sometimes the mother makes the decision, although oftentimes the baby’s father or another family member coerces the decision. Either way, the killing of the child is premeditated and deliberate.
A large group of people – 60 million dead children since 1973 certainly qualifies as a large group – more so than many genocides in world history. The pro-abortion movement would vehemently disagree with (and, in fact, hang their argument on) the use of the word people in this definition. Pro-abortion advocates claim that human beings inside the womb are not “people” and thus are disqualified from this definition.
I’ve never heard a cogent argument for what a human “non-person” being might be. Regardless, I’ve argued in my previous writings that we have intrinsic and priceless value because we are human – not because of any other criteria. We have value because we are members of the human race regardless of our age, level of development, degree of dependency, size, race, color, physical or mental disability, or whether or not some other human being has assigned us the rather nebulous concept of “personhood.”
Thus, the definition of genocide still aptly applies, since preborn humans are full members of the human race. If you still aren’t sure, then consider why when a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is generally accused of double homicide.
Especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation – The idea here is that genocide is carried out by a group in power against a victim group that shares certain characteristics. In the case of preborn children, common characteristics include their size, location (inside their mother’s womb), age, and vulnerability.
Abortion in America is thus quite correctly referred to as the worst genocide in American history.
The challenge is we don’t always allow ourselves to think of abortion in those terms, and our country certainly doesn’t act accordingly.
Why is this?
Because there may be a huge chasm between our pro-life beliefs and our pro-life behaviors.
There may be a huge chasm between our pro-life beliefs and our pro-life behaviors.
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When we claim to be “pro-life,” we are claiming that we value human life inside the womb the same as human life outside the womb. The zygote is as valuable as the adult. The fetal human has the same value as the teenager.
This is a foreign concept to many people, even those who may claim to be against abortion.
And that’s because we rarely ask ourselves how we’d act if a 5-year-old’s life were in danger compared to how we act when a baby in the womb is in danger.
If 3,000 kindergartners were being slaughtered on playgrounds across America every day, how would we respond? How would our churches respond? The government?
If 3,000 kindergartners were being slaughtered on playgrounds across America every day, how would we respond? How would our churches respond? The government?
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These questions require personal introspection. If we honestly answer that we respond differently to rescuing those two groups, then we must then ask ourselves why. And we must be careful about referring to ourselves as “pro-life.” If we are truly pro-life, our behaviors must align with our beliefs, and our practices must align with our policies.
Our behaviors must align with our beliefs, and our practices must align with our policies.
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If we truly believe that human life inside the womb has the same value as human life outside of it, then we must confront the fact that America’s worst genocide continues relentlessly, while “pro-life” governments, churches, and communities remain distracted by issues that are not life-threatening and far less important. "

Brian Fisher
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: What can't use your own brain so you're got to Copy of the Hive brain
Not wasting my time with you people any more
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davidk1
davidk1:

Devil,

Have you ever read a book besides Jack and Jill?

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Fractured fairy tale: Oh look who it is Its Davidk jumping in with others to his and Every American Presidents Cause since Ronald Ragon and the Religious Right In America.
Salvation doesn't come through Jesus Christ. Does it No Salvation comes through Servitude to the Jewish people and Isreal .

Trumps arried now continue on
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davidk1
davidk1: .

Hey Devil, don't go all postal. I just asked if you ever read a book besides Jack and Jill?

Simple question for a simple mind.

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Fractured fairy tale: The Dumbest and Tiresome Book U Had Ever Read?
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Fractured fairy tale: Go look at forum
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: If you weren't aborted, you wouldn't do it to someone else. If you were aborted, you can do it to someone else, but only one other person. Otherwise, you wouldn't think of doing something so savage to another person. Excluding rape exception, of course
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Fractured fairy tale: Who the Hell are you talking too , Gee you Americans should Repent you need Some one in charge of the Country or some one on the Suppreame Court to tell you what"s Right or Wrong ,
Sorry I even commented on this Thread , Typical People Just Twisting words , To Make out there Better than every one else , I never said I was In favour of it , Im out of here you People are too Clever for Me
Tell women to Pack a Gun in there Hand bag Super that will fix it
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: There is no justification of Genocide
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Excluding the rape exception, of course.
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Fairy tale, wasn't directing that comment at anyone in particular. Just the golden rule....if you were given a chance, you give others a chance. I am glad your mother didn't abort you, though, fairy.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: In your opinion, two wrongs make it right? Sorry If you're going to claim that victim of a crime is allowed to commit a far worst crime? It cannot be crime !

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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: genocide still going with the illiterate term hey??
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Blackshoes, there is a difference between terminating established life, versus not sustaining a vulnerable life. One is affirmative termination, and the other refusal of giving of sustenance.

The former requires merely refraining from killing something that independently exists, and the latter requires a prolonged, involved commitment. The latter has the imposition element to it, as well. Like if someone dug a giant cavern in your front yard, and placed a hibernating bear in your your yard, without your permission, to protect the bears.

Or if someone placed solar panels all over your roof of your house, to power the electrical grid of the neighbors, without asking you. Or if someone commandeered your yard and put up two thousand hummingbird feeders in your yard without asking you, to help an endangered species to survive. What the heck? You didn't sign up for all this! This is a type of rape, in a parable sense. Imposing this on you without your permission.

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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Blackshoes, I agree, in cases of rape, though, more can be done to show respect for life, not just the woman's life. They should just jettison the baby, as is, instead of chopping it up in the womb prior to expelling the fetus This might not be medically feasible but it shows more respect for human life, at least in theory.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: You're Right, In case of the women's health being at risk. Now in all other cases. In a legal sense, one crime doesn't justify another. Not that I have any right or wrong opinion on a woman's heath.
It could also be argued that in the past. It was God or in the case of an atheistic perception, that nature made the decision, not doctors and lawyers
However: we cannot go back to the past in a medical sense. Yet: we always need to refer to the past for legal issues.

Either way, there remains no justification for the genocide of abortion.
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davidk1
davidk1: .

There are only a few reasons that abortion should be considered. But birth control is not one of them. Abortion used as birth control is genocide.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: I understand they are coming out with a once a month pill for women, that should help allot, and as far as I know, the number of abortions per population has been dropping for years.
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davidk1
davidk1: .

Unfortunately, there are more abortions than births in the black community. That is called genocide and if this trend continues, the black community will become extinct in America in just a few generations.
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chronology
chronology: David, the global capital of abortion was Soviet Russia. It was the first country to legalise abortion and throughout it's existence had a really free and easy attitude to terminating pregnancy.
Americans were often uneasy at the way Russian women would get an abortion with as little thought as buying a pack of cigarettes.
Contact with American Human Rights groups and Pro life groups has changed Russian attitudes, and Mr Putin is considering stricter legislation.
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Fractured fairy tale: Oh its The Hate twins Showing there Distaim of Russia
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: David,, The black population in relation to the whole in America has been at 13% for as long as I can remember. We have seen the USA go from 275 mill to somewhere around 325 mill in the last 30 years, and its still at 13%. So it isn't in any danger of of extinction.
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