Shutting Down The Government
chronology: Our thoughts are with the U.S. Government staff who have had no pay at all over the holiday period. They are the most important workers in society, yet they have no pay.
One Government worker was saying how she almost lost her cat because she could not pay the vets emergency bill. No one should suffer like that over the holidays.
WonderWoman1: Thank you chrono. 😊..
I heard that hundreds” of high placed Trump officials, including cabinet secretaries and even Vice President Mike Pence himself are set to receive a roughly $10,000 annual raise?
chronology: America has the best educated Civil Servants in the world. Americas Civil Service is the most open, the most honest and least corrupt in the world. You really cannot praise U.S. Federal Employees enough for their high standards and professionalism.
Don't know about Mr Trump. But U.S. Civil Servants have not had a real pay rise in decades. The pay 'rises' they have received over the last few decades have simply offset the pay 'cuts' they have suffered as a result of inflation. In real terms, most Civil Servants wages are worth less than they were 40 years ago.
TastyLittleNymph: Our Civil servants as you call them...Vote themselves raises, While the American people live hand to mouth! They raise the cost of living...While freezing our pay! They also have top notch healthcare..for free. While we are fined if we cannot afford it! They create things they deem " Good enough for us " While they exempt themselves from it! They have suffered " No pay cuts" at all... Actually are grossly over paid!!!! not sure where you got that information! They continuously vote themselves raises..While telling us to live within our means...Yet they Gorge themselves! This shut down is a result of neither side wanting to work with the other! They're acting like toddlers throwing temper tantrums because they're not getting their way! Yet if any of us were to pull this crap, in our jobs...We'd be terminated on the spot and our replacements starting the job in the Morning! Honestly I am tired of our Government and their crap! Their inability to work together, and the way they create division amongst the citizens of this nation...is sickening! They receive for life payments...so they are more than well paid...for doing absolute minimal work! It also seems these men and women have forgotten some important facts...Like their seats were NEVER intended to be career opportunities...but public service positions! We have people who come into these seats as a Middle class person, and exit a millionaire....Our Government...is corrupted...We have Congress members...Senators...paying off their victims...With taxpayer Money! These people take multiple vacations a year ...on our Dimes! While the population...cannot afford to take a vacation...much less one that is paid! When their kids get sick....they are not fighting with an Insurance company to get medications their child needs....covered! They most certainly do not have the life sustaining med covered, only to discover they won't cover the avenue to administer said life sustaining med. Honestly...We have become nothing more than Stock to these men and women! They do not see us as human beings...and most certainly they do not represent us! We are born, The Hospital registers our birth with the state, who then turns around and issues us a Federal taxpayer ID# ( Our Social Security #'s) which they then take and use to barter for yet more money....We are expected to pay back! We have no say in where that money goes, or how it is used...but we must pay it back? Sorry but When they are using our money to silence their victims...It's disgusting...that they are allowed to abuse people and then retain their seats!! So we must work our full lives ( They've also raised the age at which we can retire!!) to pay off these pigs spending!!! I think its time we revamp our decayed systems. I'd start by evicting everyone from their seats! I'd install term limits across the board ( We do not need cantankerous old arses sitting in seats being intractable for 30+ years! Refusing to work with the other half! Congress would get Military pay, it would be mandatory they participate in the ACA ...that they deemed good enough for us! I'd remove all for life payments! ( none of us continue to collect a paycheck after we leave a job , If we are told we have to plan for old age....so to then should they! Our Military would receive congressional pay, and free Healthcare....I think they earned that seeings how they protect our way of life and our freedoms! I'd also cut half the aid we provide to other countries...we have no business being over there and dictating to them....when we still have Veterans and children in our own nation who are food insecure and homeless! I'd gun for the Big Pharmaceutical companies and nail them to the wall so they can no longer take life sustaining meds and hold them hostage to the tune of hundreds of dollars! I'd revamp our Education Systems too..People are in their 40's & 50's....still paying off their college loans!I'd revamp the Entire Education system...from Kindergarten straight up through college! Our high school students would learn what " Fractional Reserve" is...Before they graduate! They would also be taught how to navigate a Tax return ( I mean we are required to file one every year, but most people have no clue how to file one!!!) They'd learn how to balance a checkbook. Our kids are purposely kept in the dark...about area's they should have knowledge! It's amazing to me how very few adults these days...even know what Fractional Reserve is....I mean its only how the banking industries operate....but we're never taught that...as a well informed population..Is a dangerous population to our Government! We are also not taught the laws of our lands...Yet we are expected to know and not violate them! Not knowing a law is a law...is not an acceptable reason to violate it...Yet they don't teach them! Just as our Constitution is not taught in full to our children in high school...neither is our Human rights! These men and women..No longer represent us...on any level...they now represent big business! They are causing larger and larger divisions amongst the people...People are blaming each other for the hardships they are facing, rather than place blame where its due...straight onto their shoulders...Our Government gives us the illusion of being free...when all we are is Simply..." Free range Humans!!!" We are expendable in their eyes! People need to start waking up and recognizing....these people do not have our best interest at heart , that they actually screw us...Every change they get!
chronology: taisty. With respect we are talking about the hard working, overworked local Civil Servants who work in education, child services, local law enforcement and all the other jobs they do to keep America going as a country. Actually Congressmen and women are not as well paid as you think, and they work harder than most other countries Lawmakers. If they were on Wall Street they could rake in millions, with none of the hassles or taxes they have now. They would also not have to deal every day with irate members of the Public. It's a tough job they do.
Local Civil Servants in America should have an across the board 40pc pay rise to even bring their wages back to the value of 1980, but we both know that is not going to happen and they will carry on underpaid and overworked. Classrooms are bigger than ever, but teachers pay has stayed dead level, despite inflation. Police Officers are overworked and in the line of fire, but their pay has not kept up with prices. Even the F.B.I. Americas, and the worlds finest Police Force is underpaid when you take decades of inflation into account.
taisty, I understand what you are saying. Starting in 1980 America began a race into the gutter with wage gauging and benefit cuts and constant high unemployment. Then came the export of American jobs. All of this was in Private Business, so it looked like Public Jobs were better off. But Public workers have been short changed like everyone else.
And Mr Trump looks like setting the standard for American workers, Public and Private lower than anyone else.
KeithJ: never in my life have i seen such an incompetant one like Trumputin seems like he wants a DICKtatorship for himself
The Craftsman: WW brought up some good points that were ignored: this country's violent history against the peoples who occupied this land long before European Anglo showed up. Two words: manifest destiny
The Craftsman: Also, a wall will do absolutely nothing to deter illegal immigration. And as for helping the American people, the last Congress and this president have done nothing. Couldn't or even wouldn't pass a infrastructure bill, another campaign promise.
TastyLittleNymph: Chronology...The problem is we the American People have become little more than stock! We are born, The hospital registers our birth, the State issues us a Federal Taxpayer ID #( Our Social Security Numbers) Which they use to barter for more money on the basis...We will pay it back! We have no say in how that money is used, or where it goes...But we must pay it back! The biggest problem we have...Is the Federal Reserve..Is not Federal at all, but a privately own entity...which is answerable to???? The Creature from Jekyll Island...and the Inception of the Internal Revenue Service...Is the biggest Ponzi Scheme ever perpetrated against the American People! They sold their souls...and Our's when they breathed life to it!!!!
chronology: taisty, well conspiracy theories are one thing, but like it or not most nations have no other way of carrying on civilisation without taxes.
You are ignoring the biggest problem in America today, namely the worship of greater and greater profits extracted from America society by Big Business. I have nothing against Big Business, but they have become like drug addicts squeezing more and more profit out of America without any consideration of the negative results for Americans and their country.
By the way, can you suggest any way of doing business without Reserve Banks? I posted a thumbnail sketch on my Trivia Thread a while back about chaotic business was until Reserve Banks were established across America.
Blackshoes: WOW I have too give you credit TastyLittleNymph . I agree with your opinion and stance on the state of the Union .. Corrupt ? Well' IMO The Government Is a good Institution ..
The people within the Government though many' if not most are descent hard working, and intelligent people . Many many are lazy greedy petty ,and have corrupted and used the government for their own gain.. .
As far as the Shut down is concerned ( my sister is personally affected and will most likely be looking for work within the next two weeks if they don't open it up )
Both sides are acting like soiled brats.
Trump is stamping his little feet screaming " I want My wall "!
As for the democrats they are in turn doing the same thing ',stamping thier muddy feet screaming, No more wall !
I'm almost sure that neither side will give a inch
Neither side truly gives a Rats a*s about anyone other than they're own wants !
Pay your taxes ! It wouldn't make a difference to the government unless every one stopped paying and they really don't care either way', they 'll print whatever they need $ anyways ..
WonderWoman1: This shutdown will bring America downhill very very soon. People should stop paying taxes altogether. They can't print money if there's no money coming in. Americans will be like those caravans invading Canada soon. 🍁🇨🇦😜
chronology: Government folks are getting through as best they can. What is sad is that many Government Agency staff are on contracts which sees them laid off during a shut down, and that means no pay at all even when the shut down ends. Let's just hope this situation ends soon.
Many Government staff are being real heroes. Where ever horses and dogs need caring for, staff are calling in despite not being paid. And one lone U.S. Park Ranger in Texas carried a man with a broken leg to safety, a two hour journey.
But 1st Nation folks are said to be hit hard. U.S. Government welfare payments can't be paid to those on Reservations and they had to share food over the holidays.
Some Government staff are negotiating with landlords over delayed rent payments. 'The longer the shut down goes on the deeper in debt I get' said one single mom.
Blackshoes: Actully they have been printing money for over 50 years ..
That 's what the deficit is.. The Us Congress calls on the federal reserve every time they need money and the federal reserve prints whatever they need ',and call it a loan !
However the fed is not own by the United states 'it was sold in 1913 by the Woodrow Wilson to private investors such as the Rockefellers and Morgan's they all move from the USA in middle 1900s Now living in Europe and no one even knows for sure who own the fed today ? ..
If everyone and Businesses were to give there entire yearly income to the Government in taxes the fed would still be printing monies that they don't have so as to pay the buget that far exceed the amount of taxes collected
Most American haven't a clue on how messed up this country is ..
The school system doesn't teach everything that's going on they leave out mountains of information . !
chronology: Hmmmm so America alone is a country with money mysteries. In most countries people use money that does not even exist in reality. The system allows Banks to lend out 10 dollars for every 1 dollar they have in the savings side of the Bank. And you think America is trippy.
But let's keep the focus on Government workers at the moment. They are in our thoughts and prayers.
Blackshoes: I didn't claim that The US is the Only Country that prints money ! chron .. I said most Americans haven't a clue !
KeithJ: a wall is a joke is a political joke why ? well don't you all remember back in time when the enemy of the people ( sounds like the way Chinese Mao se tung said "enemy" ) trumps so called "fake news" showed what Government police workers showed the media tunnels 6 miles long either side of the boarder 300 feet deep at the point of the boarder,,,a wall by trumputin will not be sunk that deep !
Blackshoes: Personally I don't care what they do to secure the borders .. This crap is just childish BS politics as usual within the government !
Both side are little more than Babies !
As usual the Public has to be the one to suffer through it .
Stop paying the Congress and Senate just watch how fast it would be resolved
briansmythe: Too much Propaganda America has the best educated sival servents in the world, Who are the the NRA folks as there called there , Its propaganda and foolish to believe in your own Lies
KeithJ: and yes the fed reserve was given up inside of the federal fire arms act which had nothing to do with money printing of course they all hide crap in the middle of a bill to become law,,,thats when paper money stopped with the print on the bill saying "certificate" or "silver certificate" to be paid in gold or silver upon demand ,, does anyone remember or had that in high school taught ? oh wait i went to a exclusive school half military girls and guys and only had 13 in my graduation class with real teachers whom were patriotic to the country first not a 7 times bankrupt trumputin also with 10 failed businesses with a narcissistic 9 year old temperance.
briansmythe: Yeah Its no good this Shutting down the government thing, Once it starts happening it slowly becomes the Norm
KeithJ: right blackshoes it what im getting at , at that time before 1935 only congress could allocate printing to the hard metals of so to say fort knox