Can A Country Protect Their Citizens By Building A Wall or Fences? (Page 7)

Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: the greatest way to demagnetize illegals would be to fine business owners who hire illegals, but this will not happen, because business lobbyists own the GOP....please leave your usual simpleton reply superguy
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: That is true, the biggest reason no wall has been chamber of commerce didnt want it, but trump isnt beholden to business, he's got his own cash.
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Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: why didn't trump try these shenanigans when republicans controlled congress?
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Seriously. Although repubs passed the wall in the house, but senate wont approve it
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: No 60 votes for cloture, and the repubs didnt pull nuclear option
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Thats good though, from the long view, of democracy
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Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: no dingus, he wanted to blame democrats and also he didnt want to put his business supporting gop colleagues WHO ARE heavily dependent on lobbying contributions on the spot....
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Athiest, repubs were pressuring mitch mcconnell, and upset mitch didnt push it. Mitch said repubs would be in minority in future, and didnt want to set bad precedent, save for judges. But you are right though, special interests are why no wall before now, even though 85 percent of repubs want it
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: That and also giving away free stuff for those who dont want to work
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Trump ran with his twitter account with billions of followers, and most repubs dont have that kind of media influence, bc all the media hates repubs, except fox. They need chamber of commerce cash to try and overcome the huge media advantage dems have. Like all the comedians, journalists, professors, etc. mock republican right and left.
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: But yeah, trump know this is good politics for him bc it puts dems on defensive, and is red meat for his followers. Sine qua non issue for them. They are pissed gov taking all this money from them and giving it to illegals, via public education, welfare, prison system, etc.
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: And all the gratuitous crime from ppl who arent stanilized in life. Repubs tend to be more stabilized
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Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: superglue is the type who sees a tbone bought on food stamps and loses his mind.....meanwhile, when ceos of giant multinational banks cheat american taxpayers out of trillions and then still award themselves bonuses, crickets lol...........yer like someone who totals his car and then notices a tiny bit of flyshit ton the dashboard
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Fog Swept Glade
Fog Swept Glade:
Violent crime tends to flower by said stabilizers entirely. Mind you there was never a real democrat in criminal justice.
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Best to meet need through the church. Yes, we had to use government food stamps briefly growing up (very poor) but you got to get off them, bc they can be addictive.

Insofar as taxing ceos, i said yes, but instead let the ceos pay more of their taxes by buying from small businesses, instead of funding all these government programs. Stop corrupt politians buying votes with others' money.
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Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: the church's help always comes with forced conversion, fuck off
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: "Convert" (said wryly) while your there, so what? What constitutes going too far will be litigated in court, but such litigation will constitute what are the factors to be considered. Some factors might be the availability of alternative venues in the area, the nature of the activity involved, any privacy issues, the historic importance to the faith, etc.
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Rod_The_Troll
Rod_The_Troll: what do you mean so what? your ancient myths are fake and have caused worldwide turmoil for millenia
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Depends on your perspective, again this is out of the scope of the thread. Briefly, though, pushing god out our lives is what led to the rise of hitler, stalin, and now the dictator in china, who is pushing god out of the country. From this perspective, this allows the dictators to seize control and be "god."
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: You only have rights bc the state is doing you a favor, not bc you are endowed by your creator
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: Like anything, this natural rights thesis can be taken too far
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briansmythe
briansmythe: Now your getting into human Rights everyone has the right to live without being persicuted against. But you seem to have forgotten that over there
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: That is known as the right of privacy, the right to be left alone. Brian, where are you from? Trying to understand where you are comijng from
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briansmythe
briansmythe: Not the right of privacy at all human Rights you know like treating people like human beings . But you want to dehigh those rights to others .If thats the Case got absolutely no right to be running around the world killing people who you deem as terrorists without a trial
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Super Esquire
Super Esquire: From a moral standpoint, though, protecting innocent lives, and collateral damage, is very important. Also, enemy combatant can be of a different status than civilian, bc of the threat level.
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