Can A Country Protect Their Citizens By Building A Wall or Fences? (Page 44)  Girlzoid: Prison yards have walls around them. Clearly they accomplish something. The job of government is to protect citizens, I clouding stopping criminals at the border. This would be a lot easier if we had more lax immigration laws so non criminals could come in at the designated border crossings at their convenience. Then the border patrol would have very few poeple to deal with. Zanjan: Has it occurred to you that America's criminals can and do predate on the innocent who come across the border, even seriously corrupting them? Perhaps America should kick out its own criminals first - that will make plenty of room for the innocents.  Super Esquire: What trump has going for him on the wall is that it will free up boarder security to focus more on ports of entry if border security arent spread so thin.  edmund_carey: Israel's wall along the Green Line between itself and the West Bank has saved lives every minute since it was complete. The suicide bombings in response to which the wall was erected dropped to virtually zero and have remained rare ever since. An unusual case, perhaps, but, one remarkable success.  Sir Loin: to Zanjan. An idea perhaps but where would you kick the American criminals to? Maybe Canada would take them? Zanjan: I'm fine with sending them to Antarctica - no one owns that land. Just give them a few tools and a hut against the storm, and voila! They'll do away each other in due time. Zanjan: .@Edmund: Unlike the Gaza barrier (a border wall, which people go through), the Israeli West Bank Barrier is a Separation Wall, which continues to maintain both supporters and objectors. From Wikepedia: The International Court of Justice issued an advisory opinion stating that the barrier is a violation of international law. In 2003, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution that stated the wall contradicts international law and should be removed; the vote was 144–4 with 12 abstentions. You might call it the wailing wall 2.0 In every book, that wall is as ugly as it gets. Unlike Trump's wall, it was meant to prevent relentless suicide bombings being committed by known factions. Take note that most terrorists in the USA originally flew in by plane or are the American born offspring of those who did. It's true that the Israeli wall has reduced suicide bombings; not true that Trumps wall has reduced any bombings or violence, including school shootings, which are always perpetrated by those from blue-blooded American families. (Edited by Zanjan) edmund_carey: Oh yes, I wasn't suggesting that Trump's wall had anything to do with suicide bombings. Merely pointing out that a wall might in a given case succeed in doing exactly what it was intended to do. And, in my opinion, the fact that Israel's wall has been so successful in saving lives makes the International Court's decision regarding it a grotesque mockery of justice. The wall does creep over the Green Line in some places, and it shouldn't. But that is little more than bad manners compared to the horror that the wall was erected to stop. And did stop. Zanjan: Walls may be going up in differ places around the world but soon enough, they'll all come tumbling down - not from the effects of time, but of consciousness. Sir Loin: Has anyone considered the environmental impacts of such a wall? I don't mean the initial damage caused by construction but the interference with the natural migration of fauna in that region? Zanjan: Good point - we have to do environmental for pipelines, why not walls? I heard the Mexicans are stealing the razor wire from the wall and re-purposing it.   The giant midget: Can't fix a leaky water pipe if you can't control the water flow if you can't control the entry points how can you fix the problem with immigration?? The Craftsman: A good step in the right direction would be do make e-verify mandatory in all states. Immigrants come to the country to find work. E-verify has proven to reduce illegal workers and increase wages. Trump talked about it during his campaign had congress for 2 years and didn't do anything about that program. Why? Because huge industries in this country rely on illegal workers for cheap labor, taking advantage of them and lining their pockets with tax payers money. Ripping off the competition, the government and the US taxpayers. If e-verify were in place, they'd have to fire 1000s of workers, hire, train and pay hire wages to legal citizens, including benefits. They and their powerful lobbyists in DC will not let the politicians or Trump let that happen. We need to stop saying "immigrants are stealing US jobs". Rather "businesses are giving away US jobs to immigrants". So instead of a wall (which every president for the past 20+ years has gotten money for border security, wall construction and repair. Trump refused the same amount Congress offered), we should fix our own corrupt business environment that lures illegal workers and gives our jobs away. The giant midget: Never seen anyone walk away from a 75% discount sale in a shopping centre. Two different fresh vegetable vendor stands on the side of the road , same produce, same quality One stand is owned by a multinational company selling their goods at 80 % cheaper than the stand next to it What would you buy Sandra057: thats a hard decision, and if either one was grown with the use of chemicals, I would not buy either one The Craftsman: It's a hypothetical that doesn't exist. The local smaller farm is always going to produce fresher produce. So I'm willing to pay more for that The Craftsman: Better for the environment and energy usage to buy produce grown locally (if possible as often as someone can) | Politics Chat Room 80 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
