When religion meets politics? (Page 4)

AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Even less religious leaders or those that lack such desire ...get worshipped in place of religious figures in cult of personality it seems. Today some even fan worship such famous or those even on social networks ...even if they do or do not have some religion they follow. Hey some even seem to worship fantasy characters ...I don't mean only collect with obsession but close to worship.

In fantasy and sci fi games, and stories there are so many gods and goddesess... Some claim such as blasphemy then effort censorship in laws and rules. So there is much already controlled or how such is shared through ideas of such interpretation of how media pictures to words are shared of many god and goddess beliefs from laws and rules. Some expressing how they want such shared even as games having Hindu , Islam, some Christianity , and so on more or less. Though many places have more freedoms there is still censorship of such even by some cults for groups they reside. Including what kids are taught and how where ever they are in the world.
Not saying good or bad ...just saying such is what it is.

Not everyone is going with existential views but really that isn't what I am pin pointing to as wrong or most correct either. Just excuses hiw people make laws and effort to control the masses is what I am going with.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Oh typos...*how

So really people can have views but even if they conflict ...also can be shared in secular ways. However some feel there is a need supposedly to rid of secular ways. Some think they ways they have can never be extremist or become corrupt in power over others perhaps. Ideas ...beliefs ...opinions...biases ...humans will have such, and some will have prejudices or even bigotry of differences on views. Though not pitting sides for or against...just saying also commonly what people do in human behavior.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: a definition of politics is 'the constrained use of social power.' i think that flies in the face of genuine religious tenets. undoubtedly the world is political so to confute the two is a cocktail for disaster. i think that is referred to as tribalism or gang behaviour. but you can't underscore the fact the post-colonial societies lack in culture. and are built on more obscure tenets. and that perhaps heat in law is the rule of thumb.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Lack in culture? Define culture because really there were many that have such as defined in a dictionary through history that were thought as savage oy because they were not a particular Christianity.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: the customs, civilisation, and achievements to a particular time or people. OED. This is the sense I mean it. I think its hard to define ourselves today. There's a lot of obscurity. My bias.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Ok understood
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: i guess there is a light and dark side to religion though you never hear about the dark side because it has become political.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: i suppose that is a part of life too and probably an important one. too much nothing equals nothing. religion uses excommunication, mutilation, stoning, banishment, austerity, forced acts and so forth to punish. politics is objective. maybe more insidious in some instances? it is difficult to separate the two. our overabundance of freedom has weakened us to the point? the danger with wealth is laziness which makes punishment all the more important? not easily understood.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: the human system requires good and bad does it not?
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: It is something that happens freedom or not but some can make excuses. It is like sating overabundance of imagination or logic is what has cursed us. It is not just the way things are of such ideas free will , determinism, compatiblism, or whatever.
There are always those creatures in nature that have more and others have less. Yes greed is an ancient issue that is often something that even eventually hurts those greedy over time...however it still is not so one size fits all issue. Third world and first world homeless are still homeless though also still different how people are world wide to survive. Some may blame greed of religious leaders and politicians but they do not have power alone...they are given it. Punishment does not always equal fairness or fix things either...not sure when it has exactly.
Some enjoy suffering of others and themselves it seems, but it becomes an issue where it is forced on others and causes health issues such as mental health affecting all around them perhaps. There is more than one way such systems happen and who would define what is good or bad. For example a cactus can not get the same as a water lilly...they need different care to survive. People are different with different needs even if all are human still in the same.
Also to define what is true or false religion is more complex than this. So in reality some may say " only a god would know".
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: I see it as individuals getting with other individuals whatever they do...even if a group...is on how the individual given response to whatever circumstance or behaviors. Stereotypes and blaming a whole group does not help. Some indoctrinated need help to escape cult if they wish , and whoever else hopefully just do whatever views for themselves while not harming others. I am humanist in such biases and hypocrisy is a hard thing all try to fight perhaps. People try to do what is right and those in cults ( destructive or not) often do not know they are in one. Confirmation biases and how human brains work have bern a long way of understanding and still more to understand with hopefully helping others rather than people hunger for power.

The fight and flight responses with how many people react also seem to be easily swayed.Even given facts some get swayed instead of calm and kind ways...it is that people feel need to protect territory, mate, and such like other animal intent over such...including ideas being territory. People die and kill over such, but still even lust for power and war over the abstract is there. It is a bit more complex than just a good or bad whatever nature of elements to such exists.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: I think a good question is: were we ever meant to comprehend injustice? and what makes that so hard?
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: if we were all kings and queens how much injustice would there be?
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: If all queens and kings were kids and horses?
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: the animals don't do so well. though do they?
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Lol depends ...four feet good two legs bad?
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: I still dislike politics even though one can not escape it. Some times feel apathy but apathy also for religion. Irritated at any that try to force conformity or manipulation to join a group or idea. I just am or not. Also stereotype...prejudices...meh.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: over here egalitarianism has a very lateralising effect and the roots of political power run deep into society. we are not very religious spiritual but not religious. if anything coercion is relatively low we're too straight. quality of life is high if you want it.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Egalitarianism can be a good thing but politics still give me a head ache at times. Can not even enjoy a movie where people cause a headache over even Disney and/or Pixar. Ok ...

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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: too much politics creates a prison it acts as a harbinger to a harbinger and its really in the name of profit.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: The only way such makes money is if some one buys into it. So buyers have that power but there is also much up to interpretation.
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DIAMONDfire
DIAMONDfire: i guess we are really battling with freedom too.
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