Will the UK & EU strike a deal before March 2019 or will the UK crash out of the European Union.
briansmythe: I can Understand why Mercal did it , But why didn"t America take more , There the ones who helped , Support the resistance once it got going , Assard might be a dictator , But there was no plan for any Alternative Goverment , All the propaganda that was around and still goes around Even Trump calling him an Animal , who kills his own people , i reckon there got a lot to answer for , they reckon Demacus is back to normal , Functions like any other City , Except people dont have to worry about , Moderate rebells rebells whoever , lobbing bombs into the City , Oh unless
its Isreal backed by the States bombing the Airport , Free health care free Uni , Mabye America should learn some thing , Instead of supporting all these Insergencys
briansmythe: Or Unless its the States backing Saudi Arabia in Yeman , that"s ok too Saudi prolly has more oil than Iran
chronology: brian .............. You are seeing the movie by looking at one scene. We have already discussed how America was left with no choice but to liberate Iraq, either that or leave the Iraqi people to starve and die slowly under sanctions. After the liberation, the U.S. was struggling to restore order in Iraq. The U.S. then faced waves of insurgents crossing which boarder to kill American Peacekeepers. Which boarder did they cross? well it was not the Mexican, it was not the French, it was Syria. Am not suggesting the U.S. has given some payback, but if relations between Syria and the U.S. are strained then America is not because America has misunderstood violence against it's service men and women. It was crystal clear where the insurgents came from kill Americans.
Let's just hope peace negotiations can continue and be successful over there. But please brian, your anti American spin is seen for what it is.
No There was No ISIS before you "liberated" Iraq and suposedly set them free to Create there Own State
They kill your Brave Americans cos you Kill them , Not too hard to figure out , Now they Kill every one , Not Just Americans
When The British Ruled India they only had about 1000 government positions and buggar all Troops , cos they didnt have it too bad , Shorley you cant say the same thing About Iraq
And TELBAN controlled Afgainistan
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chronology: brian. America was forced to deal with a country in mortal crisis which Iraq was. You really are sounding Josef Goebells as you lunge to any example to justify the terrorism against U.S. liberators.
brian, am not going to repeat over and over the reasons for the liberation of iraq.
briansmythe: There was No Mortal Crisis the Average Iraqie would be like the Average American there is no war going on doesnt affect me , What was the Mortal Crisis they got kicked outa Kawiat ,Did the same to Iran Supported there Insergency that stated it all , dont you ever learn your Adolf Hilters
Again Im not going to repeat it , If Iraq is so Stable Chroono why dont you go live there , you could were your Make America Great again Hat
The giant midget: For fuck sake's
What does the USA .the Iraqis the Indians the Muppet show have anything to do with this thread
Its the UK and EU
briansmythe: Nothing midget but It could be argued imigration had a lot to do with UK leaving the EU . I just get tired of brain washed ppl telling me I should bow down to US military. I fell sorry for the local population in Europe UK they bore the brunt of the Attacks from isis . Wasent there choise to get caught up in some stupid war
The giant midget: UK is determined to leave the EU due to financial reasons and to stabilize their old emigration issues before taking in more asylum seeker's
The USA has nothing to gain or lose if UK leaving the EU community
briansmythe: Yeah correct some reckon EU was formed after ww2 to make it eieser for those countries to trade with each other. Im shore UK will figure out the trade issue. You know what politicians are like
The giant midget: That's the problem
Politicians and bureaucrats deciding the financial stability and economic potential of hundreds of millions of Brits
Back in November is 2016 the PM and her caucus refused outright the input of academic financial professor's and their students from across the UK in the pro's and con's in leaving the Union
Britain isn't playing fair specially with their currency
The British Pound is higher than the euro dollar its even higher than the Green Buck
UK wants to purchase it's imports at euro value but sell its exports at Lbs value
Can't have your cake and eat it too
hornchurchmale: lot of biased inputs. though a few main points worth considering Uk voted to leave simply as no control on mass immigration ( one of the most highly populated density areas in EU and a small island ) U also joined EU as a economic market when signing up.
EU has evolved to try and form an USA equal ( though not having a common. language or culture ) so is now a mainly political organisation and not based on trade.
it has also been consistent in saying that all its attributes must be adhered to if we want to stay a. free trade member. eg no control on immigration. U fishing ground remain under EU. control. ALL laws and human rights decision to be obeyed and all financial controls and rules to be under EU control . in short if we agree to all EU. demands ..UK will not have actually left EU. but only in name and losing any say in way EU is run.
EU will make a point ( it has openly declared. this) that ANY member leaving EU WILL suffer a star as possible to ensure EU. remain united and nO others want to leave as. penalties will be disastrous.
ergo holding a gun to UK head. all parties within UK want to remain in EU.. sadly the democratic vote by its citizens to leave is going. to side stepped by smoke and mirrors until they think of a way to have a new referendum and UK votes the 'right way'.
set aside big business whom are only interested in profits. most politicians whom are only interested in selves. we have remaining ..not much hope of democracy being a winner in UK .
xylance: The fact that the EU thinks that its ok to punish a nation for daring to leave the club should make alarm bells ring.
Pros: Being in the customs union (apparently)
Cheaper travel within EU
Cheap labour market (if u own a business)
Cons: The EU commissioners are unelected and funnily enough they're all ex communists and not only can we not remove them but we can't even understand them.
EU wants a combined military. Even though the EU was supposed to ensure peace in Europe. So who do they need this army for? Well let's see if we can work it out.....we have communists who think its ok to punish people for voting the wrong way and a huge military. Hmmm what could go wrong.
Unfortunately we have many who dont care about democracy and want to remain for no other reason than their own pocket. They don't have any foresight, they don't question.
Our own government is corrupt but they think that bigger, more powerful corrupt government is somehow better.
The immigration issue is a nonsense because the UK government has never opposed the EU immigration policy. So it will continue which eliminates one of the pro arguments.
In answer to the OP Treason May will wish to punish the electorate for voting out. Her politics are no different from the EU so we won't feel the benefit for a while. I'd not trust her to not try and get the worst deal possible.
briansmythe: Nigel farage organised Britex UKIP or what ever it is , EU is a dictatorship really , why any one would Think May or Corbin would want to leave, is beyond me
briansmythe: sorry I take half of that back The UK would have a much better go at leaving the EU if Corbin was PM and they know it , thats so called Demoracy for ya
hornchurchmale: odd that single most important reason for leaving EU IS excess immigration. so yes odd government. has already agreed to not restrict EU free movement of people. to increase funding to EU. carry on with EU 'prestige ' projects ( billions) etc etc. voting rights to be removed .UK to be subservient to all EU laws . list goes on.
in short we are only leaving EU in name only! so lot of nonsense unless.. we simply actually leave with NO deal! then major issues will arise. this is increasing prospect as EU has been clear from start that only total capitulation to all EU. dik taks will enable a deal to be signed.
hornchurchmale: yes and no. right to leave as when joined was pure;y for easy trading.now evolved to federal states and Uk just one .in many ways has benefits .war less likely etc however it came about without electors. awareness. as politicians are only there for. self and power.
main reason though I agree with is the lack of control over our borders. re high immigration to an over populated island and no final say on human rights!
EU could simply have said Uk must be an exception as highest density population per square mile etc but chose to ignore its issues and press ahead with its own agenda. eg EU army and taking over. military control. Thus UK having no say over its forces eventually. all coming under EU direction etc. many not even aware that had started to occur and training has been going on where UK services. are directed by foreign commanders. So sadly though EU has done some good in many areas I feel it is correct we leave and pursue our own destiny .freedom. has price though as any country. fighting to gain has found.
hornchurchmale: majority hope it goes ahead .otherwise we have. a collapse in democracy ! though many in EU and parliament .commerce and media. are working hard to over turn or subvert the wish of general population. so at moment you may get your wish.
briansmythe: Problem is UK signed up to Join a common Market , Not have laws passed on them in Increasing amounts, From faceless Burocrats in the EU over he years, Demoracy, What does that even men All Politions Lie to the Country what there really doing, Been that way for a long time