Do America like the idea of two Koreas uniting? Or do they oppose it? (Page 3)
briansmythe: I reckon you were prety Right here Asian , since America has let the two Koreas more or less sort it out things over there have got heaps better, Its more what them two Countries have done ,
Stopping all the miltary exersizes that went on for years
briansmythe: Yeah Its too late K pop will achieve what the US military. Couldn't might just take a bit longer
Fog Swept Glade: I mean the young folks in the Republic of Korea hate embitterment about Democratic People‘s Republic of Korea.
briansmythe: Just Imagine It would of all been Avoided , If the US had of gone ahead with Idear of Nuking The Soviet Union after Japan
Fog Swept Glade: Lol yeah. There was the same theory of arrested development vs liberation with Korea. At any rate the north was after the south to “unite“ with them during Korean Conflict, a 3 year war. Of course it was as much about “independance” as any other and their relationship with Shek worsened as it did with Russia. So, to them, that‘s what they were trying to do . The north were a puppet of Russia and the south was made by America as for their government. I like the part that isn‘t starving and still knows who they are.
Wild__: I for one would love to see the Koreas unite peacefully. Its remains to this day a flash point that could trigger world war 3.
As gar as that Vietnam reference... I'm guessing/hoping that was sarcasm.
briansmythe: From 1945 Until Today – 20 to 30 Million People Killed by the USA
By Manlio Dinucci
Global Research, November 21, 2018
Theme: Crimes against Humanity, History, US NATO War Agenda
In the summary of its last strategic document – 2018 National Defense Strategy of the United States of America (of which the entire text is classified) – the Pentagon claims that “after the Second World War, the United States and their allies installed a “free and open international order in order to safeguard the freedom of the people from aggression and coercion”, but that “this order is presently undermined by Russia and China, who are violating the principles and rules of international relations”. This is a total reversal of historical reality.
Professor Michel Chossudovsky, director of the Center for Research on Globalization, reminds us that these two countries, listed today as enemies, are those which, when they were allied with the United States during the Second World War, paid the victory over the Nazi-fascist Axis Berlin-Rome-Tokyo with the greatest price in human lives – approximately 26 million from the Soviet Union and 20 million from China, compared with a little more than 400,000 from the United States.
With this preliminary, Chossudovsky introduces to Global Research a documented study by James A. Lucas on the number of people killed by the uninterrupted series of wars, coups d’État and other subversive operations executed by the United States from the end of the War in 1945 until now – a number estimated at 20 to 30 million victims. Approximately twice the number of deaths from the First World War, the centenary of the end of which has just been celebrated in Paris with a Peace Forum.
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Apart from the deaths, there are the wounded, who very often find themselves crippled for life – some experts calculate that for every person killed in war, ten others are wounded. This means that the number of people wounded by US wars should be counted in the hundreds of millions.
To this estimation in the study we must add a non-quantified number of dead, probably hundreds of millions, which have been caused, from 1945 until today, by the indirect effects of wars – famine, epidemics, forced migrations, slavery and exploitation, environmental damage, subtraction of resources from vital needs in order to cover military expenditure.
The study documents the wars and coups d’État executed by the United States in 30 Asian, African, European and Latin-American countries. It reveals that US military forces are directly responsible for between 10 and 15 million deaths, caused by the major wars – those against Korea and Vietnam and the two wars against Iraq. Between 10 and 14 million other deaths have been caused by the proxy wars waged by the allied armed forces trained and commanded by the USA in Afghanistan, Angola, Congo, Sudan, Guatemala and other countries.
The Vietnam War, which spread to Cambodia and Laos, caused a number of deaths estimated at 7.8 million (plus a huge number of wounded, and genetic damage affecting generations due to the dioxin sprayed by US aircraft).
The proxy war of the 1980’s in Afghanistan was organised by the CIA, which trained and armed – with the collaboration of Osama bin Laden and Pakistan – more than 100,000 mujahideen to fight the Soviet troops who had fallen into the “Afghan trap” (as it was later described by Zbigniew Brzezinski, specifying that the training of the mujahideen had begun in July 1979, five months before the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan).
The bloodiest coup d’État was organised in 1965 in Indonesia by the CIA – it handed over the list of the first 5,000 Communists and others marked for death to the Indonesian murder squads. The number of people assassinated is estimated at between 500,000 and 3 million.
That is the “free and open international order” that the United States, independently of the White House, persist in pursuing in order to “safeguard the people from aggression and coercion”.
Fog Swept Glade: Did you see the war Russia started in South Ossetia or get any strategic reason for their manpower in the Crimea. The casus belli was the shelling from Russia so that they can be involved in South Osettia. Pointing to a victory like Afghanistan isn‘t that demoralizing to people who want liberty for Afghanis. Check out those rubies, they live standard lives.
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briansmythe: Yeah and this should put the Nail In the Coffin , Of those loud mouth"s who go Only In America will Human rights be Respected
Fog Swept Glade: Russia allowed the war of 1950 and would have had to arm Korea with weapons and the tanks. They may not have been on the best terms with Stalin, but, those tanks were obvious, and they did the initial invasion. The R.O.K. was an American idea. So was involvement with French Indochina. This was a direct result of negotiations with Russia who had very different ideas of how winning should impact property. We like bases and arguing people from power, they wanted to control every aspect of the country. Communism just wasn‘t maligned the same way before F.D.R. and Truman. They were shovey for destruction and we became obsessive over trying to lubricate equilibrium and individual choice. A modern revolution isn‘t pretty. The truth is that after a few generations people should be allowed to come and go as they wish. Maybe productivity and freedom should endure with enough time. We have our shortcommings and purges, they stay that way.
Fog Swept Glade: The others were Communists. China , Soviets, and uncle ho. Nobody wants Korea apart. They want to continue a functioning order. I like Republic of Korea‘s. I hate Trump sending a man back to potentially die due to bugging or drawing a line of principal. That one is special. Why would anybody do that. Trump‘s choice to return a defecting soldier was also more gutteral and whiney than keeping him. The idea of an example being supplied to show people what being a maralago snot is all about is also belittling and degrading. You can tell that people being ideally suiting to a country is standard in northern Korea, at least going by what were are allowed to see. They are instructed to be that way early in life.
Fog Swept Glade: The Korea to the north gets inundated with thumb drives with entertainment and the like or was under our previous president‘s administration. Korea isn‘t exactly a cash cow as they would promote. They are a money hole. Korea to the south gives America a fair shake and have sold fine economy phones and are a part of the developed world. Again, that sort of revolution should not result in a fear of anybody leaving, it should result in liberty.
Fog Swept Glade: Communism requires enough money to fuel a nation that has set itself apart from other countries to maintain their propaganda and territorial sovereignty. They find their way into all kinds of unregulated capitalism that way, supposedly ie hacking and illegal highs.
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Fog Swept Glade: Reunification also brings to mind the question of arrested development and what could continue to be a hardline government policy to maintain another revolution. I couldn‘t see anybody being content to let D.P.R.K. function as they have if war is to ensue.