Lost in a Lost World (Page 30)

chronology
chronology: It was used in the holy anointing oil zan. But there is a line where God says I no longer enjoy your fragrant offering of cannabis, suggesting God may have inhaled the burning plant.

Seems you can argue the case for and against God enjoying cannabis.
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ghostgeek: Israeli archaeologists say they’ve found cannabis residue on artefacts from an ancient temple in southern Israel providing the first evidence of the use of hallucinogenics in the ancient Jewish religion.

In a research paper, the authors say the discovery from an eighth-century BC shrine at Tel Arad offers the first proof for the use of mind-altering substances as part of cultic rituals in Judah, including the first Jewish Temple that stood in Jerusalem at the same time.

In the 1960s, archaeological excavations at Tel Arad, around 60km (35 miles) south of Jerusalem, discovered a stronghold belonging to the ancient kingdom of Judah, and at its core a small shrine bearing striking similarities to the biblical Temple in Jerusalem.

But for decades, attempts to determine the composition of black deposits found on two limestone altars from the shrine’s inner sanctum now located at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem were inconclusive.

Chemical analysis of the samples conducted at Israel’s Hebrew University and Technion Institute found that one altar contained the psychoactive compounds found in marijuana, and the other had traces of frankincense – one of the ingredients mentioned in the Bible for the incense sacrifice in the ancient Jewish Temples, the authors wrote.

[ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/cannabis-residue-found-in-ancient-jewish-temple-links-hallucinogens-with-religion ]
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ghostgeek: Seems they really lived it up back then.
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ghostgeek: Although it might have been a bit whiffy:

The chemical analysis from the Tel Arad altar showed it was burned atop dried animal dung.

[ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/cannabis-residue-found-in-ancient-jewish-temple-links-hallucinogens-with-religion ]
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Zanjan: Be careful; in 800 B.C. , there were lots of pagans living in Israel; they had their own temples and altars. One shouldn't be quick to assume they were Jewish places of worship.

The Jewish Temple was actually closely patterned after the architecture of a particular pagan temple. If the look is pleasing, why not? Solomon didn't pull his ideas out of a hat.

Also, cannabis is not hallucinogenic - it's a relaxant and you can't get high from someone burning it in a room or outdoors. As a bug repellent, it doesn't need to be burned to be effective. Also note that rope, textiles and other articles were made from hemp.

During funeral rites, the ancient Scythians put cannabis seeds on red- hot stones then closely inhaled - they didn't burn them because they'd explode. I doubt they got a high from it.
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chronology: Zan. It does seem pretty clear that cannabis was a main ingredient of the holy oil used in Jewish ceremonies. It was widely used in the middle East at the time. It seems to have burned in Jewish temple's at the time for it's relaxing effects. Hey, the evangelical Zionists in America who are fanatics for Old time Jewish religion should be rolling spiffs in States where it is legal to do so and get smoking away. Can't wait to see those mega churches filled with cannabis smoke.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Well, they could have pressed it into oil but you don't burn cannabis oil or tincture - dangerous! That's for ingestion. They could burn cannabis hash (kief), which has a very strong smell and is really potent as well as expensive. Not sure the ancients had that technology.

Chron, I think the idea of burning on the altar was to please God, not themselves. One was supposed to give up something that was dear or valuable to them to demonstrate their sincerity. The equivalent of money was acceptable; unlike the pagan religions, systematically setting your children on fire wasn't.

That said, there has been a few recorded incidents in history where sacrificing one's children actually worked; that goes undisputed. They were rare events performed by a fearfully repentant people to ward off imminent disaster.

However, that was then, not now. While there has been an evolution regarding sacrifice, one still can't get away from it.

I love the barter system for exchange of materials and services but you can't barter with God. He no longer accepts deals other than the Covenant.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I'm as innocent as a white bunny so I'm not going to argue about the attributes of cannabis.
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ghostgeek: The barter system, though, got replaced with good old cash for a reason. Cash is a lot more flexible.
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chronology: Zan. The whole cannabis subject is a touchy one. Personally I have never in my life touched any illegal drugs of any kind. Although am fairly certain I had my drinks spiked with LSD back in the 1970s. I would become overwhelmed with waves of sentimentality and sadness in the space of a hour for no reason at all. It was common back then for people to do that with LSD. After LSD became illegal people started spiking drinks with Magic Mushrooms..

Any how, when people hear of God enjoying the fragrant offering of Cannabis people just automatically reject the very notion as blasphemy. Personally I always read up what the Church of England has to say on a debated subject. But they seem to avoid that subject.

As said I never touch any drugs, never have, but people who love their Mary Jane swear everything bad said about it is government propaganda. They argue the Paper Lobby demonised cannabis to protect their investments.
The United States Constitution document is actually written on Cannabis based paper, something most patriotic Americans have no idea about.

But I don't know zan. Bill Clinton has some pretty heavy support if people want to criticise him for smelling cannibis one time. If the translation is correct then even God did the same as Mr Clinton.

But as said, it's a really touchy subject. But the Old Time Jewish religion did seem to use cannibis extensively.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost: "Cash is a lot more flexible."

It's convenient, unless you lose it or are robbed and you have to pay sales tax. Also, money is registered as income -not with the barter system, you don't report any gains on income tax. That's why it's still in use today but it's an underground club; they don't advertise, a member can invite you. When you sign up, you post what services or materials you offer. Bargains can be struck depending on how badly you need something.

Need a professional haircut? Well, I need someone to fix this hole in the wall. Voila. It's all legal because the exchange falls under "gifts".

Wait..........maybe I shouldn't have posted that.............oh oh..........
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Zanjan: Chron: "After LSD became illegal people started spiking drinks with Magic Mushrooms.."

Must have been lumpy beer, eh. Might work with Martinis - some wouldn't notice the diff between an olive and a shroom in those dark and noisy places. Could be worse, there a fat larva at the bottom of a bottle of mezcal. Ick, Ick.
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chronology
chronology: Zan, I think they just squeezed the mushroom juice in or something. You are right about the little maggots in the bottom of some brands of beer, yuck.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Drink cider and you don't have to worry about natural addatives.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Now, as to barter, let's remember that in ancient societies taxes were collected in kind.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Yes, because they sent out men to each resident to look over what they had. It would be hard to hide 10 goats, 4 oxen and a silo full of grain.
Unfortunately, many were accused of hiding it so guesstimates were made and people were taxed on what they didn't possess. This ultimately led to rebellions.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Yep, taxing people has always had its difficulties.
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ghostgeek: Fancy a porker by any chance? This country has got too many of them, it seems:

The UK's pig producers are warning that a shortage of workers is causing a surplus of pigs to be stuck at farms.

Trade body the National Pig Association (NPA) said some abattoirs were running 25% below usual capacity.

"If the government doesn't do something soon there will be a lot of perfectly healthy pigs on farms that will have to be destroyed," said Zoe Davies, chief executive of the NPA.

Each week, the number of excess pigs is growing by 15,000, the NPA said.

The shortage of workers in processing plants means they are unable to take in as many pigs to process as they normally would - resulting in too many pigs on farms.

Having to house the pigs for longer, while they grow at a rate of a kilo each day, is having a severe impact on the profitability of the farms, according to the NPA.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58349627 ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Pity the poor pigs that will have to be destroyed instead of getting the chop in an abattoir.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Yeah, that's redundant, eh. As they say, a pig is only too old to eat if he dies on his own. You can hang a salted, dry cured ham for a year or more.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I do have to wonder if salted ham is the sort of thing that should be produced for human consumption in this health conscious age. Salt, so the powers-that-be tell us, is bad, bad, bad.
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ghostgeek: The West is legislating itself out of existence:

The government has announced plans to ban single-use plastic cutlery, plates and polystyrene cups in England as part of what it calls a "war on plastic". ...

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland already have plans to ban single-use plastic cutlery, and the European Union brought in a similar ban in July - putting ministers in England under pressure to take similar action.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58360064 ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Ban this, ban that is all you hear nowadays. Soon things will be worse than in the old Soviet Union.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: But expect somebody to come and fix a water leak that's turning the pavement into a lake and you're going to be out of luck.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost, I remember buying dry cured hams in the store years ago. You have to put it in a big pot, cover them in water, and simmer for awhile - that leaches out the salt. They were way cheaper than fresh hams but just as good. The only difference is presentation on the platter.
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