Should President Trump be Impeached?
LiptonCambell: I want to be clear; this is a discussion on President Trump and the Emoluments Clause. I'm not suggesting President Trump should be impeached because he's a sexist, or is owned by Putin, or because you're a special snowflake and can't maintain your safe space with him in office or anything like that. This is a discussion on THE CONSTITUTION, and if President Trump has broken the law with his actions
So, in case you're unaware of this, the emolument clause is;
“No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state."
Its basically there to ensure no one in office can be bought out by foreign countries- that the President works for the people, and not other countries. The historical frame of reference is when Ben Franklin was sent to represent America in Britain in pre-revolutionary time- he received an expensive gift of over 400 diamonds from the King....when it came time to frame the constitution, the writers remembered this and included it to deter future leaders from being controlled by other countries.
Some historical examples of this is President Andrew Jackson, who received a Gold Medal from the President of Columbia, and Congress decided he could not accept it. President Van () was gifted numerous gifts, like Persian rugs and horses, and with congress's blessing he promptly sold them and placed the funds in the national treasury. And when President Obama won the Nobel peace prize, there was debate as to whether or not it involved the emoluments clause- so he gave the prize money to charity.
For the last half a century, Presidents would place their businesses in a blind trust, so their actions business could not sway their decision making. President Carter had a peanut business, and he placed it into a blind trust. This is an action that President Trump has not done.
LiptonCambell: And now we're at President Trump, whose actions is CLEARLY in violation of the emolument clause. When he had a gaffe over accepting a call from Taiwan, and later reaffirmed America's stance on "one China" policy(long story, we can discuss it below if you want), he received the copyright to the name "Trump" in China- something he had been fighting for over a decade, and which China stood firm, stating their laws simply don't allow it- a few days later. The Kuwait embasy in DC typically celebrated their national day at the four seasons, but received pressure from the Trump administration to change over to one of President Trumps hotels
So long as President Trump has not put his business in a blind trust, he is breaking the law. Countries can funnel money into his business to sway him to act in THEIR favor, rather than the American people. He's been compromised.
Whatever you feel about President Trump, its clear; this is a violation of existing laws. At any point in time Congress can move to impeach him….and they're probably going to win….
What are you thoughts? Has President Trump broke the law? Should he be held accountable? Or is he allowed to follow different rules than the rest of the previous Presidents.
constitution broken: I'm sorry to tell you Mr. Trump is not the problem. The real enemy's of the people is the corrupt two party political system we inherited and the broken government it has left us with. The constitution was not written for life in the 21t century. Once again WE THE PEOPLE must take whatever actions are necessary to make a positive change for the good of our Republic.
LiptonCambell: Are you denying President Trump broke the law? Or suggesting the rules dont apply to him?
LiptonCambell: Also, you brought up two party systems; what changes do you suggest we make to give third and fourth parties more opportunities?
constitution broken: Absolutely not. I think Mr. Trump is an irresponsible, incompetent, and lying fool. That's a given. Sorry if I confused you. I just don't think getting rid of him will not solve out problem. The real problem is in our current political system, the weak Constitution, and of course the corrupt politicians it has breed. We need a 21st century change not a temporary fix. DRM.
constitution broken: If this is the end of the conversation check out my blog and make a comment....DRM.
LiptonCambell: What if we make amendments to the election process? Certainly the current system encouraged a two party system where people are punished if they vote for someone idea logically similar to themselves, since that "steals" the votes from mainstream parties. People vote strategically , not based on who represents them best.
LiptonCambell: Basically the argument can easily be made that the elections dont represent the people. With 45% of Americans not voting in the last election, and 46% of voters voting for Trump, that means less than 1/5 of all Americans wanted him in office. Thats hardly a representational government.
Although Singles Transfer Votes is ideally for the Senate and Congress, since its for multiple seats, it can still apply here
constitution broken: I'm afraid in the long run only a peoples revolution is going to Save America I have a chat room set-up to talk about this it's called Save America Now....DRM.
constitution broken: you can also visit my Facebook page you can viisit The American Constitutional Movement...come check it out.....DRM.
Sutter Cane: Since when did politicians follow the constitution lol if they cared they would of voted for Ron Paul as well as the people. People only care when the opposition breaks it. Democrats nor Republicans didn't do shit about the Obama or Bush administration spying on everyone which is against our Bill of Rights. There are many examples of the constitution being ran over since it was created. At least we aren't Sweden or Germany. Those places are fucked.
Sutter Cane: ^^ Wow what a great argument. Is that how you were convinced? Someone talked down to you and you saw the light?
jm_les_gens: The population of the United States of America is made of brillant people , so they did the good choice. They voted democratically for the best candidate, otherwise this popoulation, citizens, would demonstrate a real narrowness of spirit and lacks with ''Life's humanity vision , mission point of viewing.