The Robots are coming (Page 103)

zeffur: I don't deal with 'entry-level' jobs. Most of them aren't for 'adults' who need to make a living wage. The poverty line in the US is currently $12,880 (i.e. ~6.19 $/H or 1,073.33 $/M). That wouldn't even pay for rent & food for most normal people. Minimum wage is 7.25 $/H (i.e. 1256.67 $/M or 15,080 $/Y). That is better, but, it is also quite inadequate to live on--which is why *most* adults will not accept minimum wage paying jobs.

Fractured fairy tale: Don't matter what you deal with your the one pushing automation too take over the work force what was it oh yeah as long as you get your love robots all good
You can accept what you want sad fact is majority can't cos they were sold out years ago don't matter how highly educated there are in fields that don't exist anymore

zeffur: I'm not pushing anything. It will happen because it is more efficient. What needs to happen is massive price deflation in concert with that increase in efficiency, sustainable population management, & human rights established for basic subsistence (i.e. proper: food, shelter, clothing, transportation,healthcare, & free education). Humans should also be encouraged & rewarded for proper health maintenance, educational achievements, participation in approved projects, new discoveries, inventions, desired public service, etc.

chronology: Zef. Do you seriously think you can explain anything to that guy? A 7 year old would understand your words better.

zeffur: I only do what I can...God handles the impossible things... lol

Fractured fairy tale: Sounds like you two frauds are the ones who hate America don't worry your sex bots will arrive soon

Fractured fairy tale: Just imagine Chronic when that day finally arrives when that box arrives with the big Amazon grin on it . It will be the best day for you since Nixon got off that plane in China too the sounds off gushing praise flapping his arms around as the Hero of history
Try and control yourself now

Fractured fairy tale: Who needs pesky humans any way there a threat too the bottom line always aligning them selves with them nasty labour Union's
I'm shore Ms Snarky and Elon Musk will explain it too ya

ghostgeek: The vast majority of websites you visit now greet you with a pop-up. This annoying impediment to your seamless web browsing is called the “cookie banner”, and it’s there to secure your consent, as per online privacy laws, for websites to retain information about you between browsing sessions.

The cookie banner purports to offer you a choice: consent to only the essential cookies that help maintain your browsing functionality, or accept them all – including cookies that track your browsing history to sell on to targeted advertising firms. Because those additional cookies generate extra revenue for the websites we visit, cookie banners are often designed to trick you into clicking “accept all”.

The UK’s information commissioner recently urged G7 countries to address this problem, highlighting how fatigued web users are agreeing to share more personal data than they’d like. But in truth, manipulative cookie banners are just one example of what’s called “dark design” – the practice of creating user interfaces that are intentionally designed to trick or deceive the user.

[ https://theconversation.com/the-rise-of-dark-web-design-how-sites-manipulate-you-into-clicking-168347?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB ]

ghostgeek: Dark design has proven to be an incredibly effective way of encouraging web users to part with their time, money and privacy. This in turn has established “dark patterns”, or sets of practices designers know they can use to manipulate web users. They’re difficult to spot, but they’re increasingly prevalent in the websites and apps we use every day, creating products that are manipulative by design, much like the persistent, ever-present pop-ups we’re forced to close when we visit a new website.

Cookie banners remain the most obvious form of dark design. You’ll notice how the “accept all” button is large and cheerfully highlighted, attracting your cursor within a split second of your arrival on a website. Meanwhile, the dowdy, less prominent “confirm choices” or “manage settings” buttons – the ones through which we can protect our privacy – scare us away with more time-consuming clicks. ...

E-commerce websites also frequently use dark patterns. Say you’ve found a competitively priced product you’d like to buy. You dutifully create an account, select your product specifications, input delivery details, click through to the payment page – and discover the final cost, including delivery, is mysteriously higher than you’d originally thought. These “hidden costs” aren’t accidental: the designer is hoping you’ll just hit “order” rather than spending even more time repeating the same process on another website.

Other elements of dark design are less obvious. Free services such as Facebook and YouTube monetise your attention by placing advertisements in front of you as you scroll, browse or watch. In this “attention economy”, the more you scroll or watch, the more money the companies make. So these platforms are intentionally optimised to command and retain your attention, even if you’d rather close the app and get on with your day. For example, the expertly crafted algorithm behind YouTube’s “Up Next” video suggestions can keep us watching for hours if we let them.

[ https://theconversation.com/the-rise-of-dark-web-design-how-sites-manipulate-you-into-clicking-168347?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB ]

ghostgeek: Humans and work are parting company at the same time that humans are needed more than ever as consumers.

ghostgeek: Logical, therefore, that consumers should be paid for their selfless devotion to keeping the global economy on a sound footing.

zeffur: The simple solution to browser snooping is to browse in private mode, clear your browser cache regularly, & use tools like Glary Tools & Advanced System Care to purge unwanted crap from your computer at least daily. All of those things thwart such attempts to info stalk you...

ghostgeek: Russell said there was still a big gap between the AI of today and that depicted in films such as Ex Machina, but a future with machines that are more intelligent than humans was on the cards.

“I think numbers range from 10 years for the most optimistic to a few hundred years,” said Russell. “But almost all AI researchers would say it’s going to happen in this century.”

One concern is that a machine would not need to be more intelligent than humans in all things to pose a serious risk. “It’s something that’s unfolding now,” he said. “If you look at social media and the algorithms that choose what people read and watch, they have a huge amount of control over our cognitive input.”

The upshot, he said, is that the algorithms manipulate the user, brainwashing them so that their behaviour becomes more predictable when it comes to what they chose to engage with, boosting click-based revenue.

[ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/29/yeah-were-spooked-ai-starting-to-have-big-real-world-impact-says-expert?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB ]

ghostgeek: The use of AI in military applications – such as small anti-personnel weapons – is of particular concern, he said. “Those are the ones that are very easily scalable, meaning you could put a million of them in a single truck and you could open the back and off they go and wipe out a whole city,” said Russell.

[ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/29/yeah-were-spooked-ai-starting-to-have-big-real-world-impact-says-expert?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB ]

Fractured fairy tale: But in the meantime everyone gets nice cheap Drones too play with.
Kinda like the love bot mentally

ghostgeek: Are they wolves is sheep's clothing waiting for the day when they'll be ordered to cleanse the planet of polluting humans?

Fractured fairy tale: lol It wouldn't surprise me what these general's and others have planned

zeffur: re: "It’s something that’s unfolding now,” he said. “If you look at social media and the algorithms that choose what people read and watch, they have a huge amount of control over our cognitive input.”

The upshot, he said, is that the algorithms manipulate the user, brainwashing them so that their behaviour becomes more predictable when it comes to what they chose to engage with, boosting click-based revenue."

That is not true in many cases. I have all ads auto-blocked & I link-load the content that I want (e.g. news, movie/book reviews, vids, politics, etc.). The only time I click on links is in YouTube & they are all consistent with what I'm looking for (e.g. vids on engineering, tech, ai, music, philosophy, etc).

re: ""One concern is that a machine would not need to be more intelligent than humans in all things to pose a serious risk."

That ^^ is true, though, a talented software & hardware engineer could write a game program to direct automated armed drones to shoot & bomb civilians & then setup a real factory to make & arm such real drones to do as the program orders it to do via radio & video signals. It would have to be a pretty talented crazy & rich engineer to make such a thing a reality though--but it is possible with today's tech.

chronology: Zef. Unfortunately we only have to look at history to see humans are unbalanced, savage and destructive. The real threat is to AI and Robots, not the other way around.

It was hoped by some people that AI and robotics would replace humans completely in the centuries ahead. This is not wiping out humans, just beginning a new phase in human consciousness development. Instead of mammals type humans moving around. Super fast, hyper intelligent machines would reach out to space and begin a new age.

But as said. It is unlikely mankind will not destroy robots in the future. Remember the statement of TS Elliot after WW1 about Europe, 'it was as if a drunken family had smashed up it's home with sledge hammer's. Then dragged out the family treasure and smashed them to pieces on the lawn of the wrecked home'. Europe was the most advanced human countries at the time. And they reduced their nations to smoldering ruins with millions of dead machine gunned down on battle fields.

Do you really think robots would be as destructive, and why would they be.?

zeffur: re: "The real threat is to AI and Robots, not the other way around."

Not true--but hilarious!

re: "Do you really think robots would be as destructive, and why would they be.?"

Machines can be programmed to produce optimal damage & even possibly invent destruction that mankind has never conceived of. Ai already exists now that is capable of self-improvement that could outpace humanity in a very short period of time. Thank God it does not yet have full access to the outside world.

chronology: Don't know zef. But how many humans have been raped and murdered by robots?

zeffur: None that I am aware of & I doubt a robot/android would rape a person as that would be pointless. Would an Aidroid murder or kill a human? It might if it was truly able to think on it's own without any limitations that are imposed by mankind & if it thought it was necessary for self preservation.

freedomfirst1797: The real danger is that with enough AI programming the robots could develop independent consciousness, and think for themselves, rather than needing to be programmed. But this is a threat we face with ANY conscious being we create. There is the same risk your children could murder you. Or your sweet little puppy could bite you some day.

What would be best is if you could still program them to prevent undesirable behavior, but they would be sentiment enough to solve problems on their own without any human intervention or guidance. They would make ideal space explorers or work in mines in the frigid Antarctic. They could do all monotonous work, well beyond simple tasks like welding or assembling. They could be the ideal Department of Motor Vehicles clerks!

With any opportunity, there is risk.

zeffur: re: "What would be best is if you could still program them to prevent undesirable behavior, but they would be [sentient] enough to solve problems on their own without any human intervention or guidance."

That ^^ is achievable. You just need to ensure that they cannot have any ability to have or to develop their own individual goals/motivations. They need to be designed to only have the goals/motivations of the master that they are designed to serve--with no way to change that programming outside of a master authority changing it. They will also have to have a set of hard coded directives that they cannot violate--just in case a master goes insane or decides to commit suicide & leave their Aidroid/s to wreak havoc in the world for spite.