Was 9/11 engineered? By who? (Page 3) chronology: Nightmarch with all respect to you, practically nothing you have posted above is accurate, it is just ' white noise ' from conspiracy websites. One example, well yes maybe some thermite was found in microscopic amounts, so was wood ash from colarado. There simply is no evidence at all of any conspiracy like you think because there was no conspiracy like you have been led to believe.  (Post deleted by scraping_the_surface ) scraping_the_surface: the day before Rummsfeld said they lost $2.3 trillion , and didn't know where it was,maybe there were records at the WTC that he wanted gone chronology: A sad comment on the fact so many people in the U.S. are buying into conspiracy theories about 911 or Rosswel is that people who are inclined to believe such nonsense are usually people with turbulent childhoods, broken childhood homes and chaotic experiences at school. Sadly as more and more Americans fit this profile, more and more people are buying into conspiracy nonsense like 911. It cost 100.000.000. dollars U.S. a year to keep Rudolph Hess in Prison, he was the only man in the Prison. If you want to talk conspiracy, ask yourself why an old man was locked up all his life at billions of dollars in expenses. Personally I think there was no conspiracy, just Red Tape that Britain, the U.S. and France and Russia just could not get their heads around. But like 911 there will always be people who see vast conspiracies in keeping the poor old Guy locked up in Prison at vast expense.  briansmythe: I would of said Islamic physopath , Muntz what do u reckon it just appeared one day out of nowhere SATO engineering company  lol chronology: Ghost, at Roswell some researchers are convinced that there were extensive ' off the books ' projects run by the U. S. and protected by a un named U. S. Agency also off the books. It was deep Cold War secret programmes and some of them were probably a little dubious. The FBI and CIA would probably have objected to some of those programmes but we're kept out of the loop by that ' off the books ' Agency. Don't know if I believe all this but there you go.  IamcRackaddiction: i havent gotten into my roswell files extensively, but i have gone through the so-called black projects or something to that nature. this was a year back, (i have been going through my "free energy" files for two years now) so i may be rusty on some details. anyway, what came up was the radio-report of a crashed alien spacecraft, a redacted alert that it was a weather balloon. i must stop here because i am biased in that i am not a fan of chasing alien existence. now to continue, it seems to me that people feel desparately a need to confirm alien contact. based on what i have gathered thus far, it is common for there to be a knowledge among the secret "off the books" community to have an intimate understanding of technologies which exceed the mainstream goods by 40 years. this may be inflated. second, if this be the case, let us assume some of these dubious programs might include synthesis of live human tissue grown to become "alienesque" that is where my bias is, because of the government's inconsistencies regarding investigation on the matter; first they redact, then they have top secret projects, then they admit they investigated for thirty years but became disinterested... and what arose from the redacted news story could have very well been caused by the engineering principles of flight and particular theories of gravity as proposed by einstein and tesla. so, between my assumptions on the matter and my learned knowledge of physics, it seems to me that what the government had in its possession was a knowledged to never be ascertained under the principles and theories we teach today, which could serve them to create tech such as flying saucers, possibly man them with dumbies because unmanned aircraft was also being explored and kept secret. In fact, JFK's older brother died during testing of a prototype unmanned aerial vehicle. just two cents worth shadowline: Honestly, people, if 9/11 was an American conspiracy, someone involved would long since have come forward and said so. Such an undertaking would have required hundreds of operatives to pull off - by now more than one of them would have either felt his neck and 'fessed up, or decided to cash in on book and movie deals. Until that happens, credibly, you can safely dismiss this "CIA conspiracy" stuff as either loopy politics, or Muslim self-exoneration.  lori100: no, conspiracies happen.... and they planned 'terrorist attacks' before.... wiki----Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[3] ---------At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the U.S. Government.[4] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. ------------and other plans----the commander of the Operation Mongoose project.[13][7] The memorandum outlines Operation Bingo, a plan to "create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba." It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying: "The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al. Cuba [sic]." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans." briansmythe: Yes Consparicys might happen But not In this Case Bush was doing something shady but I think it was more money, It was an Attack on Western Civalisation by the Muslim world, It wasn't the first time they went after the World Trade centre Its Symbolic And I think were mad just to write it off as a consparicy , It hasn't stopped since More recently with Europe and ISIS,  Ive looked into it for a year, Not everything has to do with America and the CIA , Is ISIS the CIA NO lol Lorie every thing is a consparicy to you  Im not laughing at you I think its funny (Edited by briansmythe) briansmythe: Now we shouldn't forget all the Innocent people who died, Cos It could happen at any time anywhere In this Day and age, Its I just don't like Making excuses for Bin Larden And His supporters  and All the people ISIS has taken out Its the Devil that creates Confusion (Edited by briansmythe) chronology: People will always insist on different interpratations of events. When Downing street was hit by Mortors in 1991 10 years before the Pentagon was struck some people were saying it was impossible for Mortors to be that accurate. Prime Minister John Major was stood talking about the Gulf War when the whole building shook and he was knocked to the floor by the blast. Some people disputed the explanation that Mortors with timing devices had been left in a van near Downing Street, they also said it was unlikley the Irish were involved, more likely Saddam had struck with some weapon. They say all the same things about the Pentagon attack. Pentagon staff described waves of burning gasoline rolling down corridors setting fires all over one wing of the building. It is also suggested that Pentagon staff who were killed and injured in that wing were not simply Office staff doing admin work. In one room at least staff were actually directing some kind of operation on computers in the middle east. So were they targeted by the hijackers? It all just sounds too complex. How would the IRA have known John Major would be in 10 Downing Street when they bombed the building? how would Bin Ladens gang know the Pentagon staff would be in that wing of the Pentagon on operational duties at the moment they flew a plane into the windows of their Offices? It sounds more like just coincidence. Neither the IRA nor the Bin Laden gang had that level of penetration into the American or British security screen. lori100: if Muslims were involved they were the patsies....it was the govt scaring the public to get support for another war...manipulation.. lori100: Bin Laden comes home to roost | NBC News www.nbcnews.com/id/3340101/t/bin-laden-comes-home-roost/ Michael Moran looks at U.S. ties to Osama bin Laden, trained and funded by the CIA to wreak havoc on the Soviet Army and now turning his talents on ... lori100: The Best Enemies Money Can Buy From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden - Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership with Killers of Americans Brown Brothers, Harriman - BNL- and the Carlyle Group -------------------The Carlyle Group, the Bushes and bin Laden The warnings about the Carlyle Group, the nation's 11th largest defense contractor, and the Bushes came long before the World Trade Center attacks. The Carlyle Group is a closely held corporation, exempt, for that reason, from reporting its affairs to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Little is known of what it actually does except that it buys and sells defense contractors. As of October 4, 2001, it has removed its corporate web site from the World Wide Web making further investigation through that channel impossible. Its Directors include Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense; James Baker, former Bush Secretary of State; and Richard Darman, a former White House aide to Ronald Reagan and Republican Party operative. On March 3, 2001, just weeks after George W Bush's inauguration, the conservative Washington lobbying group Judicial Watch issued a press release. It said: "(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an "ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped the firm in South Korea. "The New York Times reported that as compensation, the elder Bush is allowed to buy a stake in the Carlyle Group's investments, which include ownership in at least 164 companies throughout the world (thereby by giving the current president an indirect benefit). James Baker, the former Secretary of State who served as President George W. Bush's point man in Florida's election dispute, is a partner in the firm. The firm also gave George W. Bush help in the early 1990's when it placed him on one of its subsidiary's board of directors. "This is simply inappropriate. Former President Bush should immediately resign from the Carlyle Group because it is an obvious conflict of interest. Any foreign government or foreign investor trying to curry favor with the current Bush Administration is sure to throw business to the Carlyle Group. And with the former President Bush promoting the firm's investments abroad, foreign nationals could understandably confuse the Carlyle Group's interests with the interests of the United States government," stated Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel. "Questions are now bound to be raised if the recent Bush Administration change in policy towards Iraq has the fingerprints of the Carlyle Group, which is trying to gain investments from other Arab countries who [sic] would presumably benefit from the new policy," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton." Judicial Watch noted that "even the Clinton Administration called on the Rodham brothers to stop their business dealings in [The former Soviet Republic of] Georgia because those dealings started to destabilize that country." Since the WTC attacks the Wall Street Journal has reported (Sept. 28, 2001) that, "George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm." The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years - 1998 and 2000 -- as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families, which some experts argue, has never fully severed its ties with black sheep Osama in spite of current reports in a mainstream press that is afraid of offending the current administration. The Nation, on March 27, 2000 - in a story co-authored by David Corn and Paul Lashmar - wrote, "In January former President George Bush and former British Prime Minister John Major paid a social call on Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah..." This story confirms at least one meeting between the elder Bush and Saudi leaders, including the bin Ladens. That the bin Ladens attended this meeting was confirmed in a subsequent September 27, 2001 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) story. The January 2000 meeting with the bin Ladens was also later confirmed by Bush (the elder's) Chief of Staff Jean Becker, only after the WSJ presented her with a thank you note sent by Bush to the bin Ladens after that meeting. James Baker visited the bin Ladens in 1998 and 1999 with Carlyle CEO Frank Carlucci. The WSJ story went on to note, "A Carlyle executive said that the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said. "But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger..." In other words, Osama bin Laden's attacks on the WTC and Pentagon, with the resulting massive increase in the U.S. defense budget have just made his family a great big pile of money. More Bush connections appear in relation to the bin Ladens. The WSJ story also notes that, "During the past several years, the [bin Laden] family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes, Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. Secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration. ÔWe would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors.'" President G.H.W. Bush pardoned Weinberger for his criminal conduct in the Iran-Contra scandal in 1989. Our current President, George W. Bush has also had -- at minimum -- indirect dealings with Carlyle and the bin Ladens. In 1976 his firm Arbusto Energy was funded with $50,000 from Texas investment banker James R. Bath who was also the U.S. investment counselor for the bin Laden family. In his watershed 1992 book, "The Mafia, The CIA and George Bush," award winning Texas investigative journalist Pete Brewton dug deeply into Bath's background, revealing connections with the CIA and major fraudulent activities connected with the Savings & Loan scandal that took $500 billion out of the pockets of American taxpayers. A long-time friend of George W. Bush, Bath was connected to a number of covert financing operations in the Iran-Contra scandal, which also linked to bin Laden friend Adnan Khashoggi. One of the richest men in the world, Khashoggi was the arms merchant at the center of the whole Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi, whose connections to the bin Ladens is more than superficial, got his first business break by acting as middle-man for a large truck purchase by Osama bin Laden's older brother, Salem. Another key player in the Bush Administration, Deputy Secretary of Defense Richard Armitage, left his post as an Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration after a series of scandals connected to CIA operatives Ed Wilson, Ted Shackley, Richard Secord and Tom Clines placed him at the brink of criminal indictment and jail. Shackley and Secord are veterans of Vietnam operations and have long been linked to opium/heroin smuggling. The Armitage scandals all focused on the illegal provision of weapons and war materiel to potential or actual enemies of the U.S. and to the Contras in Central America. Armitage, a former Navy SEAL, who reportedly enjoyed combat missions and killing during covert operations in Laos during the Vietnam War, has never been far from the Bush family's side. Throughout his career, both in and out of government, he has been perpetually connected to CIA drug smuggling operations. Secretary of State Colin Powell, in a 1995 Washington Post story, called Armitage, "my white son." In 1990, then President Bush dispatched Armitage to Russia to aid in its "transition" to capitalism. Armitage's Russian work for Bush has been frequently connected to the explosion of drug trafficking under the Russian Mafias, which became virtual rulers of the nation afterwards. In the early 1990s Armitage had extensive involvement in Albania at the same time that the Albanian ally, Kosovo Liberation Army was coming to power and consolidating its grip, according to The Christian Science Monitor, on 70% of the heroin entering western Europe. [See FTW Vol. II, No 2 - April 24, 1999] Armitage and Carlucci are both Board Members of the influential Washington think tank, the Middle East Policy Council. The connections continue with Vice President Dick Cheney. Amongst the multitude of oil pipeline construction running through the new war zone is one project - according to a Sept. 19, 2001 Wall Street Journal story - a joint venture in which the bin Laden family joined with the construction firm H.C. Price. A researcher named "Phoenix," writing for the Internet news site Rumor Mills News Agency located at www.rumormillnews.com, reported that Price subsequently changed its name to Bredero Shaw, Inc. and is now owned by a subsidiary of the Halliburton Corporation, Dresser Industries. It was Dresser industries that gave George H.W. Bush his first post war job in 1948. A check of the relevant corporate web sites has confirmed this. Vice President Dick Cheney, who served as Secretary of Defense during Desert Storm, directing the campaign against Saddam Hussein, was Halliburton's CEO until last year's election. And, according to a 2000 story from Harper's Magazine, in 1990 our current President, through a position as a corporate director of Caterair, owned by the Carlyle Group - at a time when the bin Laden's were invested in Carlyle - had additional connections to the bin Laden family. In addition, on March 1, 1995, when George W. Bush was Texas governor and a senior Trustee of the university, the University of Texas Endowment voted to place $10 million in investments with the Carlyle Group. As to how much of that money went to the bin Ladens we can only guess. But we do know that there is a long tradition in the Bush family of giving money to those who kill Americans. Now, as the people of America are beginning to awaken to what is really being unleashed upon them, as a few brave souls are asking who's going to get all the money the Bush Administration is "borrowing" from government coffers and who's going to pay for it - the above history is more than ominous. Considering that during the 1980s, under the pretext of fighting a Sandinista regime in Nicaragua that never once launched an attack on the U.S., these same people oversaw an explosion in U.S. cocaine consumption that went from 80 metric tons in 1979 to 600 metric tons in 1989 - considering that the CIA trained and equipped death squads that tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of people from Guatemala to Panama - considering that these same people have brutalized Iraq, leaving portions of it radioactively contaminated by depleted uranium for the next 4 billion years and causing a fivefold increase in the number of childhood leukemia cases amidst a starving population, one can only wonder what they will produce for the world now given the context of the World Trade Center attacks. briansmythe: Who really Knows Why do Bali then why do a lot of things I still reckon Saudi had something to do with it , Who knows if bush was in on it lori100: Bin Laden Family Members Evacuated from US in Wake of the 9/11 ... www.globalresearch.ca/bin-laden-family-members-evacuated-from-us.../15186 “Even though American airspace had been shut down,” Sky News reported, “the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.” “Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden’s family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington,” CBS reported. ------------This is truly amazing, and bears repeating: not a single American citizen could fly after 9/11, yet we give permission to the family of the evil mastermind who allegedly used commercial jets to damage four buildings to escape from the United States on commercial jets! | Politics Chat Room 20 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
