Why Trump won, a message! (Page 53) The giant midget: Commandant you and I look into the USA from the outside ,I believe that you have seen very close to your own backyard on how things can easily change with foreign intervention The giant midget: Those examples are never in the history books We are told that they're conspiracy theories. The giant midget: We in the west hear totally different accounts from the east and vice-versa, today with technology we can verify what's happening via friends and family members living abroad, we don't need to rely solely on the media. WHlSKY: I remember from young my old man telling me of the history. Not each detail will be taught in schools but it is known. And with the FOIA some of the past hidden operations are made available. I remember also on learning some things in school though, like the Bay of Pigs invasion and the US backing of Batista. I don’t think the Soviets were any better. Just made me see things from a ‘what can be gained’ view vs the ‘saving mankind world police’ rhetorics. The actions show the motives eventually too. Maybe what occurred in Afghanistan will be written up differently to seem as a success story. People have already forgotten that it has been failing a long time that this is just the final nail in the coffin. The giant midget: In 2010 waiting on a flight bound to Europe were on a television screen the local media reported that the Canadian economy was in good condition, real estate market was excellent I arrive across the pond 8 hours later at my parents home only to be literally spooked listening to BBC news on how the Canadian economy was in ruins, folks abandoning their homes ,banks foreclosures Wtf WHlSKY: But you are right on technology and an interchange of ideas/experiences. Persons from countries that were affected can voice it more now and you get both sides telling their version. Silver__Fox: Read this interesting viewpoint: One thing: The defeat in Afghanistan is not the fault of Joe Biden. It was a salutary lesson in the limits of power, just as Vietnam was. Biden didn’t cause the loss. He did, however, turn a defeat into a rout. Or perhaps not. Possibly the end was always going to be this, and his failure to provide the means and direction to at least allow the possibility of a staged and orderly retreat and withdrawal was no more than the last move in an end game, of little importance in the whole sorry tale. Still, I think a President’s task is to communicate policy, as well as to make it. Biden failed in that task. He still isn’t saying anything much. Well, if it was a salutary lesson, will it be learned? “Don’t get into a land war in Asia” seems to me to be a useful first approximation. It’s not exhaustive, but I think it’s a wholesome general principle. And, if I may again mount my hobby-horse, it shows the futility of enormous military expenditure on weapon systems that can do nothing against the real dangers to the western democracies. For Afghanistan, it simply didn’t matter that the US had the F-35, which has cost, so far, 430 billion dollars US. It was irrelevant, and would be irrelevant against any enemy with the Taliban’s characteristics. Or against WMD’s. What would 430 billion dollars do, applied to, say urban renewal in the US? Public transport systems? A general health care system, supposing you could get Americans to accept one? Or – and I admit that I am plugging for my heart’s desire, here – would it buy a Moon base? A Mars expedition? Even the first robot probes – packages the size of a valise, with an ion drive and solar sails, that could reach the nearest stars in thirty or forty years? At one time I was pretty certain that I would live to see that. Now I know I won’t, and that is one of the most bitter regrets of my life, just as much as that my son, born in 1986, never saw human beings walk on the moon, except as a historical record. Sure, it sounds grotesque to say that, in the face of the terrible challenges facing our species, but there it is. WHlSKY: Ideally, I would really like these in authority during the Bush Administration, the Obama Administration, the Trump Administration (and perhaps the Biden Administration) to be held accountable. They should be made to account for each of those dollars spent and lives lost. It is too strange to me that money was pumped into that war and nothing was shown for it. No infrastructure in Afghanistan, nothing in Afghanistan shows that 430 billion dollars was spent. That's a red flag to me. Has to be money was funnel into other things. I'd say the other NATO countries should do the same. All these presidents and leaders retiring to a life of ease with a pension. In any company, something like this will be investigated. The giant midget: I totally agree with your posting regarding the accountability for past USA administrations but it' goes back to Nixon days Mr Biden was Obama Vice president after all he was in the loop too and those Nato leaders i would exclude Trump because he never sat in any discussions to be in any war ,he inherent the problem The American citizens need to hold their own leaders responsible for the deaths thousand young men and women that shed their blood for worthless causes and thousands more losing their body parts As they say a eye for a eye Americans have all seen through the world media what civil uprising in other nations can happen. Political figures being assassinated, government buildings being burned down, etc Americans were horrified by a handful of protesters around some building a few months ago That was a walk in the park compared to other places in the world  Fractured fairy tale: I've worked at Muslims house's from people who have come from over there Every 5min the Woman of the house goes Brian Brian can you go to the shop for me Every 5 minutes. Then it started dawning on me after a few days Hang on lady your not in Afghanistan any more you don't need a male escort to go down the Street  No wonder the men hating Femanatzi from the west love Islam so much they think there got it made LOL (Edited by Fractured fairy tale)  Denmarkian: Comandante & the giant Midget ... I got a question for you ... Since our US twin towers were attacked which lead to the war in Afganistan ... Would you like your leaders of your country just to forget about 3,000 people that were lost in that attack? Or would you go after the ones that did the attack that killed 3,000 like President George Bush?? I do think we should go after the ones that attacked us with the Twin Towers but as far as staying in Afghanistan that long .. I am not sure if that. The giant midget: That is a valid question. Apparently the individual responsable for such attacks according to USA leaders was once glorified by the American government when they supported him with fucking shiploads of weapons and money to oust the big bad Soviet military, afterwards they left him hanging dry when promises were not fulfilled for him to confront the kingdom of Saudi Arabia America's administration betrayal lead to thousands of innocent people to perish in those towers The USA citizens should pray and pray alot that the betrayal of the people in Afghanistan that helped foreign military forces with the promise of safe passages with their families out of harms way only to be left behind for slaughter Hopefully the relatives of those poor souls from Afghanistan never commit acts in the USA like what happened in New York city Eye for a eye and it's justifiable in my opinion  kittybobo34: Most of America was behind Bush in going after Al-qaida. The Taliban got in the way, and using the CIA we were able to dethrone the Taliban in a matter of months using local forces.. That is where we should have stopped. Suddenly Bush gets the idea to bring Democracy to he Muslim world, 20 years, and 2500 lives later, they are kicking us out. The giant midget: Kittybobo it was the Truman administration that started funneling money thru Pakistan to Afghanistan resistance groups to fight the government in power that had more likings to the Russians instead of the Americans The rest is history Oh did you know that the same Truman administration back some groups that had the same ideologies of those as the present Taliban WHlSKY: “ I do think we should go after the ones that attacked us with the Twin Towers but as far as staying in Afghanistan that long .. I am not sure if that.” The ole “come out with guns a’blazin” sloppy approach? See how that turned out in humiliating the US now. 9-11 was not the first blow. The conflict between the US and these groups/ the ME started and was happening a long time. Some think that al Qaeda’s attacks were random. That one day this strange group decided to hate on the West for being the West. No, mate, these parties have a history with each other. And the government of the US is one also. So, to answer your question. I will prefer my government to answer on what dealings they had with these people. I want to know the full beef. And as I’m a man of planning and strategy, I wouldnt go with guns blazin’. I’ll take a long time planning and looking at my options. Just want to add too that al Qaeda operated in various countries. The head, Bin Laden was even found in Pakistan. Now I saw on the news that Pakistan was congratulatory towards the Taliban’s defeat of the US. This same country that the US tries to maintain a relationship with via aid etc. Maybe you should focus more energy on demanding to know what really your Government is up to. (Edited by WHlSKY) The giant midget: Another 400 billion coming right up in the very near future . The USA and other countries placed sanctions against nations that somehow embraced the Russians like little nations as Cuba, Angola and other's alike. Let's see how hypocrisy is working alive and well in the democratic world The Russians have moved on from Cuba decades ago but the sanctions still remain with USA and its allies. Since the Chinese Communist party has unofficially declared hugs and kisses with the new government in Afghanistan will the USA and its little puppy Nato leaders place any sanctions on China I doubt that very much. 3 nations in the world only recognized the Taliban Government in Afghanistan officially, 1 of.them was Saudi Arabia nothing was ever imposed against the kingdom instead they were sold millions of dollars in military hardware annually and periodically had international heads of states visiting the kingdom I recall a baboon saying If you are not with us you're against us Hold your leaders accountable with their feet to the fire than burn them alive That's my opinion and I am sticking to it  Nicotina: Suddenly there's agreement about the US interfering with the governments of other countries. Shocking! Yes, I know other countries do the same thing. The giant midget:  I should be thankful to all the Gods and Goddesses of the world that I am too lazy to read history books  Blackshoes: Well said, Giant. Hell, if I have clue on how to fix the world :"( It's actually comforting, that I won't be here on earth for much longer Almost everything in the News is so so depressing “One commonly hears that carping critics complain about what is wrong, but do not present solutions. There is an accurate translation for that charge: 'They present solutions, but I don't like them.” ' Noam Chomsky, Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy “Politics is the only art whose artists regularly disown their masterpieces.” Raheel Farooq (Edited by Blackshoes) Fractured fairy tale: answer Is Simple Need politicans that will Learn there Lessons and Not make the Same Mistakes over and over so they can Give Santimonus Speeches while the dowie eyed populas give Gushing Praise When I move to Rusia it will be you peoples problem | Politics Chat Room 52 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
