U.S. Presidential Race--Who should win? (Page 12) ehartshorn77: Martin O' Malley should win because he will fight Wall Street, unlike Wall Street Democrats and socialist Bernie Sanders. By the way his energy plan does not coincide with bringing jobs back to the United States.  chronology: It looks like Donald will run by default, other GOP main stream front runners seem to have decided the Dems will win this year. A really telling point was when Franklin Graham dumped the GOP a few weeks back, unheard of for the Religious Right celebs like Franklin to dump a GOP choice. 'The smell of defeat is all over the Repubs' . People say Donald 'destroyed Jeb Bush' I doubt this, more like Jeb has seen the statistics and decided not to battle for a prize he is not going to get. The GOP cannot seem to regain the solid reliable voter base they have used for the last few decades. So they are forced to field Mormons and Casino owners in desperate attempts to capture the swing voters. The Dems will take nothing for granted and urge their supports to contribute funds and volunteer work for the Party, a smart move, because Americans astonished the world when they elected Ronald Reagan in 1980. Still, the Dems will have a spring in their step and a energy boost as they watch the GOP in what is looking like it's death throws of a 2016 election campaign. 'Raise Funds and sign up volunteers' . will be a Dem rally call now 'we have everything to fight for 'and a better than average chance of winning' .  lori100: Ted Cruz's Iowa Mailers Are More Fraudulent Than Everyone Thinks - The New Yorker The New Yorker - 3 days ago With the Iowa caucus fast approaching, Senator Ted Cruz is in trouble for sending out letters ...------------------------------Ted Cruz Apologizes After Ben Carson Accuses Campaign of Dirty Tricks TIME -  Blackshoes: Lori Only God knows what really goes on behind the Screen Yet : It doesn't matter that much . After all ",the candidate's are just Pennies ', masquerading as Gold coins (Edited by Blackshoes) lori100: Scalia died on a remote, , elite, private ranch in Texas during a presidential election year....'natural causes '? I think not....which presidential machine put out the hit? some have said it was the Texas Bush family....-----Bush Family Suspected of Killing Scalia : conspiracy - Reddit www.reddit.com/conspiracy/bush_family_suspected_o • 17 hours ago - According to a source, Justice Scalia was going to confess to involvement by the Bush family in the attacks of September the 11th (Edited by lori100) lori100: Trump Doubles Down on 9/11: Bush's CIA "Said Something Like That Was Going To Happen" RealClear Politics  sheperd1_1: Trump is what the country needs!Carson is a good man.the rest,they all Talk a good game but won't do anything for U.S. citizens.They try to paint Trump as a racist because he wants to get rid of the illegals--do you have any idea how many billions of dollars illegals cost this countrys' taxpayers?I look at my paycheck and am disgusted at what they take out so the illegals can live in luxury and have kids that I will support.Its' not racism to kick illegals out--its' doing good for the citizens of this country---thats' what a president is supposed to do-serve U.S. citizens not illegals or muslim refugees like the lawless president we now have Blackshoes: You're just complaining about the Illegals ? This country brings in 2 million legal aliens each years ' the country creates less than 1 1/2 million Jobs each year The numbers are not adding up ? Trump isn't Qualified nor smart enough to take on the Establishment', They'll eat him alive ! You cannot alienate 2/3s of the Voting Population ', and expect to win .. He never be president ! Sanders is a socialist! Bush cannot over come his family ties . Cruz doesn't get it ! Clintons just the same old shit ! I'm thinking of writing in Donald Duck again  sheperd1_1: trump isn't a career politician-he'll do something for U.S citizens instead of everyone else-yes he is not perfect-what qualification did Obama have?he was black!plus Trump is the only true outsider--its' the establishment of both parties that have wrecked this country---I have seen only one good politician in my lifetime-Jon Runyan-the republicans begged him to run again but he declined saying "this job wasn't meant to be a career"---so after Trump the only option you have is outright rebellion--which is coming--maybe that is what You prefer.. sheperd1_1: blackshoes*-yes,illegals aren't the Only problem in this country but they are the biggest for eating up U.S. taxpayers money,while producing nothing but more kids.do you have a clue how deep in debt this country is?Why do you think the younger voters like Sanders?because he is a socialist and will give them everything free--they just can't see the future of that is a welfarw state like Greece  SWlNE: Because being an undocumented illegal immigrant means you'll be entitled to legal social facilities and services which depends on tax? haaha Did you know that illegal immigrants pay taxes? and are easy to scam because they're afraid of being caught hence why employers love them so much. Can exploit them easily. The American dream fulfilled. I have read reports on the impact illegal immigrants have on the US economy , many economist seem to point that it's not all negative. Certainly not the biggest thing eating up US taxpayers' money since they will not be eligible for services. While I'm not promoting illegal activities, to me these persons are doing themselves more harm than good going to the US. Heads up, Sheperd1_1, Greece demise is more complicated than that. A lot of corruption too. (Edited by SWlNE) SWlNE: And to show that I'm not making this up: "The 11.4 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States collectively paid $11.84 billion in state and local taxes in 2012. ITEP’s analysis finds their combined nationwide state and local tax contributions would increase by $845 million under full implementation of the administration’s 2012 and 2014 executive actions and by $2.2 billion under comprehensive immigration reform." [1] ---------------- 1) Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers. 2) Undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits. 3) Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years. 4) Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement. The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another. 5) Current immigration laws, there are very few options for legal immigration, the costs are increasingly prohibitive and the wait for any kind of status can be long and frustrating. Source materials [1] http://www.itep.org/immigration/ [2] http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/ Blackshoes: Interesting .I find it Unbelievable and sad how the Politian's play to the public ignorance of all the issues It seems many are nothing but sheep being lead to slaughter   davidk14: . Once again, WTF do you care about Mexicans? Illegal is illegal. What do you not understand? Its OK to be illegal if you pay tax? They buy food which is taxed but they do not file income tax. When these illegals fill out their employment documents, they file 15 dependents so that no taxes are taken out of their paychecks. That's illegal. But then, being an anarchist, you support anyone that is breaking the law. I do not believe that sending the 11 million back to Mexico is the right thing to do. First, stop illegals from getting into the US. Build a wall, put National Guard and even the Marines to protect the southern border. Then, hold employers to a higher standard, and third, create a 10 year path to citizenship with no voting rights. That will stop the pandering by the democrats. . . (Edited by davidk14) SWlNE: Can't read, can you: "While I'm not promoting illegal activities, to me these persons are doing themselves more harm than good going to the US." Certainly I care enough about them to know that they're being taken advantaged of in the US even if they're making these massive contributions to your economy. Enough that I would say that the Mexican government need to do what's right for their citizens and provide a better situation for them in Mexico. I've shown my direct sources, you've just presented an emotional rant as usual. davidk14: . Our economy is in the toilet. Where did you hear that they are making massive contributions to the US economy? Really. They need a pathway to citizenship that is non-political. Tens years, no voting. . SWlNE: Your economy is in the toilet but that's no fault of illegal immigrants or immigrants. I already posted the source information of the massive contributions made to the US economy through taxes. Everything in detail if you took the time to slow down and read. They need nothing else but to have a better situation in Mexico and that's what the Mexican government need to get serious on. davidk14: . Like I said, my solution is a ten year path to citizenship without voting privileges so that those that want to manipulate politics does not get involved with their path to US Citizenship. .
SWlNE: I don't care about your 'solution'. Those illegals immigrants and immigrants should be made to feel comfortable in their home country. They go to the US out of desperation and an illusion of the 'American dream' to help their family back home. You've seen your politics? The joke that it is, the illegal immigrants and immigrants who go their to improve themselves is not concerned about manipulating your politics or getting involved in it. | Politics Chat Room 77 People Chatting Similar Conversations |