Refugee Crisis :Who is to blame (Page 44)

davidk14: .

That's sweet. And there are those that just do not want to believe that the 1% just may have a serious impact on how the 99% respond.

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I K R:

new_tauresa: The refugees want to come to the UK because of the very lucrative benefit system. I would change it, they would only get benefit if they are also going every week to their English classes and they would get a sanction if they did not go to class or passed tests. After all we want them working and keeping themselves as soon as possible.

ghostgeek: And if they don't go to their English classes, and they don't get benefits, what do you expect them to do instead? Starve?

michaelruz: Choose a country where the customs and religion are similar

ghostgeek: If you were a Muslim, having lived in a Muslim country, would you choose to live in another one? Or would you head for somewhere they don't shoot at you or try to blow you up?

michaelruz: Then don;t be a friggin muslim dont follow the piss be on him religion

ghostgeek: To not be a Muslim in a Muslim country could be a death sentence. Far simpler, and far safer, to head where the money is.

new_tauresa: Ghost: they could be deported. Anyone who comes to the UK needs to have it very clear in their head that they must work, unless ill. The country does not have the same money it used to, Oil revenues have been cut dramatically, so everyone needs to work and add to the economy so we can continue living with all the services we have been used to, simple as that, in my opinion.

ghostgeek: The situation is a lot more serious than the loss of a little money. The reality is that a tidal wave of people entering Europe, wedded as they are to an alien culture and religion, will inevitably destabalise the host countries. This could be a repeat of the fall of the Roman Empire in the west.

What is needed is active Western intervention in the countries from which these refugees come. Stop the influx at source, not when it has reached its destination. The sad fact is the European empires were dismantled before they had transformed many of the subject lands into functioning states. So the people who live in them face a stark choice. Stay where they are and face grinding poverty and anarchic violence, or try their luck in the old colonial heartland. Neither option is good, for us or them. That is why there needs to be a third option, one where everybody benefits. The countries these desperate people come from have to be taken out of the hands of the corrupt elites that run them and governed properly. That will require military intervention. A new age of empire is needed, for the sake of us in the West. Otherwise we will be washed away by the tide of history.

new_tauresa: ghost the whole point of the European Union was to have freedom of movement, within the region . Not to have the whole world move to the region.

I K R: Well said ghost

briansmythe: up there^^ Allan jones Douglas murray , simple send em to mannis island. Make them break rocks hard labour, Bludging Muslims ant getting my tax dollars to live in housing commishion and catch undersize fish all day, Muslims are the problem, Habbies sux

new_tauresa: ghost..those poorer countries can access many, many in trumpets to aid their own countries economy, s long as they are members of the EU. There are many funds they can access. When it comes to the rest of the world, I think what needs to happen is aid with regards to education. Education is a way for countries and people to improve as proven in the Indian model. Handing out aid with not set plan about improving and empowering people is a futile exercise.

SWlNE:
Let's get this clear:

You have Western intervention at the root of this problem (the Syrian Conflict). Western groups openly stating they instigated the protesting, the supporting and arming of groups from outside Syria all because they're tired of Assad (no moral reason because these Western-backed groups have been shown to be worse). No supporting of the infrastructures necessary for persons to survive. Now people are fleeing because the place is in chaos due to this and you want to propose sending those people back and encamp them in said chaos to die out? And you want to call that Western intervention part II?

HAahaha!

You want a New Age empire? Superiority? haa you think that the Western actions thus far in the ME have been civilised. You think that you're dealing with barbarians when your governments have proven by their actions that they're as barbaric as it comes. And your support for it shows the same. Your reasoning and postings show the same.

SWlNE:
It's the barbaric imperialistic thinking that got to this point. Want to intervene instead of focusing on your own. Leave these people to sort themselves out because it is clear that the goal of these interventions are not to help or assist or to improve but to breakdown and push for an agenda.

Syrians are not fleeing because they think Europe is this exemplary place you imagine it to be, they're fleeing because of the chaos and the conflict. The main refugee endpoint isn't even Europe, it is surrounding countries in the ME. Stability in Syria is the only end of this.

I K R:

new_tauresa: I wonder how many of us posting on this group are actually afiliated to any NGOS. Or do we just spew out "solutions from the confirm of our warm houses!

SWlNE: I'm in a chilly office. Can't account for everyone else.

ghostgeek: Is there a point to the European Union? It is a Ruritanian empire on the slide. Ramshackle and corrupt, it cannot provide for its own security or even, it seems, its own prosperity. And as for this fabled freedom of movement, it is being curtailed right now by razor wire and checkpoints.

ghostgeek: Being nice gets you a kick in the goolies.

The whole of the Muslim world is in uproar. They are ripping the guts out of each other. Well, I have no argument with that but I am shit scared of the consequencies. Vast hordes of desperate people seeking sanctuary elsewhere. So on they come, the followers of Muhammad, wanting to transplant their failed faith in the lands of the Christians. And all the while we are expected to pay them for destroying our way of life.

We should not have to live in fear behind walls. They wanted their freedom, and they won it. If they create paradise on earth, then good luck to them, but if they turn everything to shit then I say, let them wallow in it. Nobody helped the Europeans claw their way out of the merde.

Remember Cologne. Remember Rochdale. Just like 'Rome fell, so can the West.

briansmythe: western Intervention what a load of crap more like Saudi Iran and Russia china, Just drop a dial up nuke on Syria while we can

new_tauresa: Ghost..hence why I think the UK will vote to leave the EU

briansmythe: If they had any sense they should, And the rest of the eu countrys will close there borders, So law abiding westerners wont be able to cross borders to work and visit family, why cos of some stupid mental Mercal let the neo Nazis loose I reckon

SWlNE:
Being bad gets you a kick in the goolies.

The whole of the Muslim world isn't in uproar and looking at the countries that are in the ME that is in chaos there was a measure of Western intervention and invasion which contributed heavily to it. Before you preach about European nationalism and a creation of a pure Europe, simmer down and don't try to do it at the expense of another region.

And by the way, yes many non-Europeans helped Europe with their runnings with Hitler and their turmoil times.