Refugee Crisis :Who is to blame (Page 26)

SWlNE:
My statements condemning fanatics:
"No one in their right mind supports ISIS. That's a given. They've done lots of shitty things. That's established."
Topic: Politics

" ISIS is an issue, they should be stopped"
Topic: Politics/3

I have in my statements condemn actions done by fanatics and will again state that I am against atrocities. My position remains that persons who carry out these actions should be held accountable for it and not persons who have not.

Again, as stated before, I am against atrocities and persons who carry it out, it is being supported and instigated by Western governments and for that reason I will continue to condemn and speak on those actions. Where is your voice on that? You have none? You do not point fingers at radicials, time and time again you state that innocent muslims, the ones who are not part of the fanatics to be held responsible. Again. is your stance also the same for innocent christians who are not part of their fanatics? -No response.

There have been several support for attacks on 'abortion clinics', there have been several done in the name of Christianity using scriptures as their bases. They have not been tried as 'mentally ill'.

But the point is, are you going to apply your statement towards muslims also towards christians. Will this be your new statement:

"It's time for the billions of Christians to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Taken from your old statement:

"It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."


Proceed to answer the question directly: "Yes, no, maybe."

SWlNE:
You always claim that everyone is a fence-sitter.

Where is your voice against the US government's action of supporting terrorist under the term 'rebel groups'?

Speaking out against atrocities should not be selective. Those who continue to arm, support, create these fanatical groups should also answer for that action.

Where is your big stance in calling for the billions of christians to take responsibility for their crazies and be held accountable for that? You seem very vocal about it to be applied to muslims. This is YOUR personal view and YOUR direct statement and you hide from applying it.

I already know how you'd respond and continue to dodge from directly addressing it. Maybe afraid you'd not get a thumbs up from your pals this time or something.

davidk14: .

Filth said:

A reminder of your stance, Davidk14:

"It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

stated: Topic: Politics

Now are you ready to apply this also to Christians considering the present violence carried out by 'their crazies'? You seem to be having difficulties facing the question.


David responds:

And here is my final answer….again….

The number of violent actions have been insignificant in numbers when comparing to Islamic murders in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Twenty four people since 1977 have been murdered by those that believe that abortion clinics are Nazi concentration camps.
Sorry dude…Fail.

Anyone that tries compare this one mentally ill man representing main stream Christians to the tens of millions of crazies who want to murder, rape and pillage in the name of Allah….
You really have no clue do you

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Filth said:

Again, as stated before, I am against atrocities and persons who carry it out, it is being supported and instigated by Western governments and for that reason I will continue to condemn and speak on those actions. Where is your voice on that? You have none?


David responds:

As I stated before, you do not condemn the non-Western governments. Not once.



Filth said:

You do not point fingers at radicals, time and time again you state that innocent muslims, the ones who are not part of the fanatics to be held responsible.


David responds:

I have NEVER pointed a finger at innocent Muslims. Ever. I have stated OVER and OVER and OVER that 99% of all Muslims are peace loving family oriented folks that only have love for all mankind. I have an issue with the 1% that are radical, extremist murdering Islamists. So I hope I made that perfectly clear. Let me know if you need further assistance with this.



Filth said:

Again. is your stance also the same for innocent christians who are not part of their fanatics? -No response.

David Responds:

Huh? Not sure if I understand. There are always a bad apple in the barrel. Always. Only a rookie like you try and legitimize an argument to condemn the good apples.


Filth said:

There have been several support for attacks on 'abortion clinics', there have been several done in the name of Christianity using scriptures as their bases. They have not been tried as 'mentally ill'.

But the point is, are you going to apply your statement towards muslims also towards christians. Will this be your new statement:

"It's time for the billions of Christians to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Taken from your old statement:

"It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."


Proceed to answer the question directly: "Yes, no, maybe."


David responds:

WE in the great country of the United States of America, live in a country based on Christian Judeo values and follow the word of law and where there is a huge separation of ‘church and state’. If a person commits a crime, said person will meet justice in a court of law no matter what race, religion, or sexual orientation.


However, there are 28 Islamic countries that hold almost all of the world Muslims. You know this as most do. They also use Sharia Law which is of course, the laws of Islam...a religion. You also know this as most do.

Huge difference…yah think?



Filth said:

You always claim that everyone is a fence-sitter.


David responds:

Not everyone silly.


Filth said:

Where is your voice against the US government's action of supporting terrorist under the term 'rebel groups'?


David responds:

Dude…I have stated numerous times that the current administration is a joke and has pledged not to put boots on the ground so this administration did what any administration like this one would do….arm the bad guys that are fighting really, really bad guys. Stupid. Cowardly.

This situation should be considered for a Declaration of War against Syria. I said consider. Be very clear on this point. The President should consider a Declaration of War.

It would need to pass a vote in congress. Congress is all about elections. If the people of the United States support military action to defeat Syria…well…that’s democracy for yah.


Filth said:

Speaking out against atrocities should not be selective. Those who continue to arm, support, create these fanatical groups should also answer for that action.


David responds:

I frickin agree. Sending limited arms that will not really win anything is stupid and ridiculous. If we want to get something like this done, we should do it ourselves and screw anyone that supports Syria….that is…if it is that important to declare war of course.

Filth said:

I already know how you'd respond and continue to dodge from directly addressing it. Maybe afraid you'd not get a thumbs up from your pals this time or something.


David response: Your comments have been addressed.

goalie29763: Where is your voice against the US government's action of supporting terrorist under the term 'rebel groups'? FILTH ask

Well you mean Obama's Foreign policy ? Because he just ignores FBI , CIA and the intelligence giving to him by professionals , and goes his own little way and veto's everything he doesnt agree with ? I 100% agree with you Obama's administration and policies has made the world a hell of a lot more dangerous place and his main concern is global warming ,

SWlNE:
I can give you a length of atrocities done in the name of Christianity and the example of what takes place against Homosexuals (stoning included) in countries of Christians.

The number of Christian terrorists who have attacked persons based on biblical teachings in the US is by far greater than Islamic terrorists attack.

Now your stance is to only forward your condemnation against Islamic terrorists and call for innocent muslims who have no affiliation with these individuals to be accountable but now you are shown the exact things being done by Christian terrorist and your stance has changed.

Weak.
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On your statement:
"As I stated before, you do not condemn the non-Western governments. Not once."

Actually your previous statement was: "You never condemn the Islamic fanatics."

I have already shown that I have.

Addressing your new statement, which non-Western governments are you referring to? I have stated in the past that I do not support any current governments because of their actions. I recall you erroneously called me an 'anarchist' for that.

Weak.
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Your statement: "It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Your current statement: "Huh? Not sure if I understand. There are always a bad apple in the barrel. Always. Only a rookie like you try and legitimize an argument to condemn the good apples."

Weak.
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David responds:

Dude…I have stated numerous times that the current administration is a joke and has pledged not to put boots on the ground so this administration did what any administration like this one would do….arm the bad guys that are fighting really, really bad guys. Stupid. Cowardly.

You have never addressed directly the US government (including the various organisations in the US which will include the CIA) arming, supporting and creating terrorists in these countries, throughout the forums. Feel free to copy a link showing that you have like I have done.

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SWlNE:
Goalie, it has been happening long long before the Obama administration and extends beyond that as well. It includes the CIA and FBI.

Maybe you are only now seeing it due to your dislike of Obama. He is just the scapegoat but just as involved as any past president.

The US has a long history of these acts that contribute to the mess and of citizens keeping silent.


http://www.ebritic.com/?p=551270

SWlNE:
The first step towards stopping fanatics is to not fund or arm them. To cut all support they receive. There are bad apples and bad apples should not be armed. They should be the only ones held accountable for their actions and no one else should be subjected to prejudice.

SWlNE:
On your statement, Davidk14: "This situation should be considered for a Declaration of War against Syria. I said consider. Be very clear on this point. The President should consider a Declaration of War."

Excuse me, on what basis do you feel entitle to wage war against another non-aggressive country? Keep in mind that a declaration of war against Syria will be to attack the Syrian army and not ISIS. This is not game.

davidk14: .

Filth said:

I do not support any current governments because of their actions.

David responds:

Since you said it....there is a word for not supporting any current government...its called...anarchist and since you are one....you have a one sided agenda.

So I can assume that since you do not support any current governments..that includes Russia. Right?

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SWlNE:
As I said before, not giving support means just that "to agree with" or "to give encouragement to". I have seen the actions of current government and I find that I can not agree to their complete stance. The definition of an anarchist is someone who promotes self-governance, someone who is against the structure of government and on laws. They are not against the actions of governments per se but against the structure. It does not matter to an anarchist whether a government is good or bad, they are against the idea of governments and laws.

Do you understand the difference or should I do a drawing for you?

I want to make sure you understand before continuing.

SWlNE:
One moment. I have to copy and paste this self-contradiction again:







Davidk14's statement: "It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Davidk14's current statement: "Huh? Not sure if I understand. There are always a bad apple in the barrel. Always. Only a rookie like you try and legitimize an argument to condemn the good apples."

SWlNE:

To support a government means to me that I have to support it as a whole, which will include its every policy and action because that is what it stands for and what it represents. I have not come across a government that have had that effect on me to accept it as a whole.

That's my personal preference. It is not anarchy.


Here is a recommended article on anarchy you should look at to better understand it and not misuse the term:

http://www.spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html

davidk14: .

There's no reasoning with a anarchist. Your excuse is that out of the 190 governments on the planet, you do not support not even one. That is exactly what an anarchist is.

You do not agree that Israel has a right to exist.

You do not agree that the US, much less Israel, should defend themselves from terrorists.

You do not agree that the West should exist.

We have heard it all before.

You said:

"...To support a government means to me that I have to support it as a whole, which will include its every policy and action because that is what it stands for and what it represents. I have not come across a government that have had that effect on me to accept it as a whole."

Using this as a template, I changed a few words:

To support a FAMILY means to me that I have to support it as a whole, which will include its every policy and action because that is what it stands for and what it represents. I have not come across a FAMILY that have had that effect on me to accept it as a whole.

So you are against any form of organization of people since there are a few 'bad apples' as all families have....as well as governments.

Nice.

Good job.

You probably have no friends other than fellow anarchists who are douche bags too.

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SWlNE:
This is like explaining 1+1=2 and being told 'no it is potato' followed by an incoherent rant.


A government is not a family. A government fits a specific purpose and to me, to support a government means that I agree with their policies -all of it. Similar as being part of an organisation. It has to represent what I stand for.


There is a great danger in giving support to atrocities and Government policies that will have a negative effect. A person should not brush those things aside. So if a government wants my support, it has to be thorough and their policies will have to be upright. That's my stance. Perhaps if more persons held that view governments will realise that certain actions are unacceptable. Perhaps if the Nazi party had that objection, instead of persons looking for their own self interest as 'we are a family and family should stick with the bad and good', we would've avoided WW2.

My family is my family. My government is not my family and I do not support your invitation to have blind loyalty towards governments. Governments are there for a specific purpose.


I suggest again, you look at the term 'anarchist' and educate yourself, it's one thing to be ignorant but refusing to address that ignorance is only showing that you are stupid.


And you should ease on your insults, I don't want you whining that I'm being harsh to you when I return insults. This is just a warning.

SWlNE:
You've not addressed the point on the Declaration of war on Syria.

goalie29763: a wire warning shake in your boots Dave , he even stole the 1 + 1 theory from me , he truly is a douche bag that thinks he has a clue I have showed him over and over and HE still cant put 1+1 together

Will I get my warning next ? like I give 2 flying fricks what this moron has to say , only if he had a clue , Is quite fun to at his sorry ass though ( DAILY )

SWlNE:
You were the one who 'blocked' and ran away yet here you are to jump on board the bandwagon.

I have presented definitions of an anarchist. Direct sites. Davidk14 manages to show zero.

I can see that no rebuttal can be presented to what I've stated. I still have this as my favourite:


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Davidk14's statement: "It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Davidk14's current statement: "Huh? Not sure if I understand. There are always a bad apple in the barrel. Always. Only a rookie like you try and legitimize an argument to condemn the good apples."
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goalie29763: And you believed I really blocked you , Or is it that I can ignore your sorry Ass ?

SWlNE:
It is not difficult to show:

http://postimg.org/image/idoqplc8j/

davidk14:
Let me be clear....crystal clear....

"It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

If the 2.2 billion Muslims do not take responsibility for the crazies and get rid of them, we in the west will eventually have to.

If we do...there will be significant Muslim collateral damage. Israel is defending itself from Hamas and what does Hamas do? They put civilians in harms way for a news cycle to try an put Israel as the bad guys.

That is why a Declaration of War is needed against Syria. Russia is already supporting Syria and Iran and ISIS. It's time to stop fooling around and go after the main culprit and supporter of terrorism on this planet.



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SWlNE:
My grin for the day:

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Davidk14's statement: "It's time for the 2.2 billion Muslims to take responsibility for their crazies or be held accountable."

Davidk14's current statement: "Huh? Not sure if I understand. There are always a bad apple in the barrel. Always. Only a rookie like you try and legitimize an argument to condemn the good apples."
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goalie29763's poor bluff: "And you believed I really blocked you , Or is it that I can ignore your sorry Ass ?"

Goalie embarrassment: http://postimg.org/image/idoqplc8j/
(and he calls himself a Christian yet 'thou shall lie often' )
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goalie29763: Why would I want a message from you , guess little did you know you cant block from forums ? Again your stupidity rings loudly

davidk14: .

Once again Filth has painted himself into a corner and has no way out.

checkmate.

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SWlNE:
Davidk14's statement:

"That is why a Declaration of War is needed against Syria."

-You have not shown how a war against Syria will be justifiable. You have however ranted about an irrelevant issue.

"Russia is already supporting Syria and Iran and ISIS."

-Russia is an ally of Syria and Iran but they are not of ISIS. Are you that stupid to not know that ISIS is against Syria, Russia and Iran? Their position is to war against Syria.


"It's time to stop fooling around and go after the main culprit and supporter of terrorism on this planet."

-Your government? Because as stated before a war against Syria will be a war against the Syrian government and the Syrian army, not ISIS because ISIS is not 'Syria'.

You're not only a lunatic but a very misinformed one.

goalie29763: Filth wires biggest puppet , pull his strings and he reacts