Communism - Workers of the world unite! (Page 10)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Oh, and I believe Martin Luther advocated compulsory schooling so that all people would independently be able to read and interpret the Bible. Was he a Communist?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The British fought a war to make China import opium. Not sure the same can be said about Afghanistan unless the motive was to destroy the opium crop.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Under the Taliban, all opium production was ended. The Danglos arrived - guess what Opium production is at record levels under the US.

A lot of money in drugs.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It does seem that that is true. Drugs, a popular product that is always in demand. Could be that people should be allowed to kill themselves by whichever method they want. Maybe our caring Capitalists are just too concerned for our welfare.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Ghost, let us continue this concept. The British fought the Opium Wars with China. The British now grow opium in England. The Vatican was found guilty of drug money laundering. HSBC, its symbol is what? Its logo is the poppy flower - opium.

The wicked create the problem (making money) and then the answer (making money).

If we connect the dots, US might have invaded Afghanistan for drugs.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Seems you're right about opium poppies being grown in England. I would have thought it was just too cold and wet to do that. Can't agree with you about the U.S. invading Afghanistan to grab a share of the drugs trade though. The British in the 19th century were growing the opium in India. They were running a balance of payments deficit with China and wanted something to even things up with. Turning Chinese into opium junkies made business sense. America, on the other hand, has been brutal in its suppression of drug taking. The prison population can attest to that. The U.S. would have no reason to enter Afghanistan unless it was to eliminate the opium crop. Most certainly, it would not aim to nurture opium production given its domestic policy.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: I'll just give you the headline:

If US Wants To Eradicate Opium, Why Is Production Thriving Under US Guard?

UK is growing Opium in greenhouses.

The US "Just say No to Drugs" official policy might be mere talk. Some believe the elite are making money from drugs.

Have you ever watched an old Vietnam War movie?

The army is strict. How are American GIs getting drugs in Vietnam if the military is not supplying them?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The UK is growing opium to manufacture morphine for medical use. Nothing illicit. As for the US, well, I guess for some people money talks.

Really, the invasion of Afghanistan is simple to understand. America had been humiliated. Toppling the World Trade Towers needed a suitable response from the US government. An invasion did the trick. I don't remember all of America complaining about it at the time.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Well, Ghost, the Danglos "use cover stories" for their crimes:

California legalized "medical marijuana" too.

Don't you think that the politicians, athletes and actors are purchasing the real thing?

Once again, balance "propaganda" with facts.

What happened with the WT Towers? And who was at fault? Was Iraq guilty? NO. Was Libya guilty? NO. Was Syria guilty? NO. But the US invaded all those countries.

Connect the dots. These are facades, Potemkin Villages to hide the real agenda.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>Lipton, who rules the earth?

So that means your political beliefs are exempt from the same kind of criticism's you're applying against Capitalism? Because it's unpopular?

I mentioned I follow Libertarian-Capitalism. It's a very unpopular form of ideology. Libertarian-Capitalism absolutely does NOT rule the Earth. So I should be free to act in the same manner, and completely ignore the things you insist are done by 'Capitalists', because my beliefs do not 'rule the earth'

moreover, if communism 'ruled the earth'.....that means we should be trashing it instead? Sounds less like logic and more like contrarian....

>>>We discuss their crimes because they are so obvious.

Communism's crimes aren't obvious?

>>>England has invaded 95% of the world's nations.

I don't support what England has done.

Bam. I don't have to justify shit. It's not even associated with my beliefs anymore. Because I don't support them.

Not capitalism, Didn't happen.

>>>When did I say whitewash?

You didn't. I did. I used it to describe your actions- you wish to ignore the past and re-write it to suit your agenda. You insist the suffering in Tibet doesn't count as a shot against Communism because you personally don't support them- you're re-writing history so that the communist party, who ruled China at the time and invaded and nearly wiped out another culture, didn't actually do these acts because you, personally, did not agree with it- and thus, communism the ideology did no wrong.

You're treating this like a get out of jail free card- anytime communism does something you support, you're on board, but anytime they do something you object, suddenly they're not really communists...

>>>Can we talk about the last 200,000 years in this post?

I....what?

Wait wait wait....so you go on and on about 'educating' people, but you can't acknowledge when you're making factual mistakes?

You insist that genocide is a capitalist invention- ghost points out that genocide has been around since the time of the bible- and rather than acknowledging your mistake, you just insist that we should ignore our own history, ignore who truthfully 'invented' genocide- which you brought up- and we should solely focus on the modern times?

What kind of short-sighted BS is that? If you want to discuss facts, lets discuss facts. If you want to push an agenda, then stop screwing around the bush and just acknowledge that facts are not as important to you as your agenda.

And to continue your 'education' - the oldest bible is around 2000 years old- the Assyrians, as mentioned by ghost, is around 4600 years old- and the entire human race, homo sapiens, is about 100,000 years old.

So by insisting we stop talking about the Assyrians and the bible, and stick to the last 200,000 years, you've included a time twice as long as the entire human species existed, and a period --27-- times greater than all of human civilization.

So yea...your ignorance is kinda showing....and you want to 'educate' us, eh?

>>>I said let us focus on modern time, so we can give it a proper assessment.

more like "Lets ignore the past, so I can accuse capitalism of doing things that predate it by nearly 7000 years"

>>>Karl Marx said that Capitalism would lead to endless wars as the Capitalist Vampires seek new resources to exploit.

Need only look to North Korea to see how Communist societies have no issues with endless wars....

>>>But can the West learn from Marx?

Probably. mixed political systems are doing quite well.

But that's not what you're calling for- you're calling for pure communism, and any negative action done by a mixed system you shrug off as not 'true' communism.

Clearly, you want a pure system. Thats not learning. Thats indoctrination.

>>>Connect the dots.

Because associating yourself with conspiracy theorists will REALLY help your cause...
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gronchbove
gronchbove: All proven conspiracies:

Did you know that there were about a dozen people found guilty of Assassinating Abraham Lincoln?

Did you know that the top Capitalists worked to hold down prices leading to the creation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?

Have you ever heard of LIBOR? Top High Street banks admitted to rigging the rates.

How many nations has North Korea invaded? And if I am not mistaken, the United States Danglos caused the Korean War. How many dead and for what?

Korea has a right to defend itself, why are Brits killing the innocent half a world away?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: How many nations has South Korea invaded?
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gronchbove
gronchbove: The world is not run by Vietnam or South Korea.

Can you even explain what the Korean War was about?

A bunch of Danglo bankers told the North Koreans that they did have the freedom to choose their own government. So the Danglo bankers invaded North Korea in order to "divide-and-conquer."

Korea is a great example of the "divide-and-conquer" oppression of the Danglos.

South Korea was taken over by the US military.

How many nations has Iran invaded?

Very few recently, yet the Danglos attack it continuously. Why? Because it is independent and says "NYET" to the Danglo bankers.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The strange thing about the Korean war is that the refugees went south, not north. During the war, an influx of millions of North Korean refugees swelled South Korea's population of 22 million, placing severe strains on its war-torn economy. Seems people voted with their feet for life under your "Danglo oppression". Explain that if you can.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Just like people left England for America and Australia. Right?

Wasn't it Korea before the war? All the Danglos did is divide the population.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Those people marched south during the war. The only time they were able to do so. So go on, provide an explanation.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: South was warmer. Actually, if we follow the war, the North Korean army "marched south." So maybe the people were following the army.

Any way you look at it, South Korea is an artificial construction. There is only one Korea.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Or maybe the Danglos kidnapped them - isn't that how slavery works?

Remember the Rape of the Sabine women. Those women had no choice.

I don't remember Danglos giving Africans any choice in the matter.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: There is only one credible explanation. People wanted to get out of the hell-hole that is North Korea. They still do. You can count the number of people going the other was on the fingers of one hand.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Given a choice, people always head to the land of the Capitalists.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Have you read the history of the Korean War? First of all, suggesting that North Korea and South Korea existed is not accurate.

Korea was a joint nation ruled by the Russians and Americans after Japan was defeated. It was ruled by Lyuh Woon-Hyung. The Americans forced Lyuh Woon-Hyung to step down. The Americans caused the war.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It doesn't matter who caused the war, when given the chance people went south, not north.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Ghost, you are correct in so far as many people have gone south.

But we could look at another society, which shows Capitalism run amok: Greece.

I believe 70% of the population wants to leave.

People tend to want to leave bad situations. Jesse Ventura in the US left for Mexico.

Americans left Europe for the opportunity of North America.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Greece chose to join the Euro. Nothing more needs to be said about the country. They got what they deserve.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: And North Korea chose to become Communist.

Actually, recently Greece voted to "not accept the Danglo terms." In a free society, nations have the right to determine the debt terms. But Capitalists don't run a free society. What did Danglo Money Changers do when Greece said "NO."

The Bankers ignored them.

That is not democracy or freedom or legal.

The Danglo banker system is dying.

As I said quoting Marx - Capitalism is a vampire that must destroy to feed itself. Greece is being destroyed as Marx predicted.
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