Communism - Workers of the world unite! (Page 7)

duncan124:

" (UK is not part of the European Union, but it is still running the continent). " Gronchbove

Huh??? The UK is a part of the EU just like Portugal and Greece.


"...and still controls the POUND." Well,the £ is the currency in the UK. So the UK has every right to control its currency.

Your view of Communism is from around 1914 and is out of date.

Every time you quote from the past you should also quote from the others at that time.

So " Women should not be allowed to vote " and " France is the enemy of all nations" should also be included in your posts.

duncan124:

The real idea behind events in Greece and Portugal is that PM Cameron had no choice but to repay the UK debt and it was not his policy!!

gronchbove: Duncan, you like to "name call." I have noticed many Danglos have no response to "serious discussions." The media gives them 101 lines to try to respond, but they end up embarrassing themselves.

You show your "myopic focus as if British politics is all that matters in the world." Your British politicians lie and lie, shoveling the horse manure and you call that your "response."

Does anyone else want to respond to Duncan? smh

Duncan states:

"Huh??? The UK is a part of the EU just like Portugal and Greece."

[I think HUH was a typo it should have Homer Simpson's "DOH!" lol]

In the 1990s, the full members of the European Union gave up their currencies to accept the Euro as their national currency. The Greeks gave up the drachma, I think the Portuguese gave up the escudo.

Man, you embarrass yourself and prove my point.

Does the UK still have the Pound? Yes.

Well, how can the UK still have the Pound and be a part of the European Union? Because the UK is not a full member of the European Union.

You make this too easy by proving my point.

duncan124:
The UK joined in 1973.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_Union

I think you have become confused with the Ukraine which also joined but has been knocked out of the Internet world.

Gronchbove is your name ? And you did say " (UK is not part of the European Union, but it is still running the continent). "did n't you???

gronchbove: I looked up your link.

Look at the chart under "currency."

The UK is NOT a full member of the European Union.

The European Union is a political entity with a single currency, called the EU.

Let me continue on my thought process. The UK still controls its currency, the pound, thus it can control its economy. That is why its economic situation is better than the full EU members.

Are Americans Japanese? No. But do the Americans run Japan after World War II? Of course.

You don't have to be "Part of an organization to run it." The United States and England still have troops in Germany, right? When you have troops in nation, you control that nation?

Comprendez?

Is the British Royalty a member of your family? No. But does the British Royalty rule over your family? Yes.

duncan124:

So you are saying that Cameron is paying to the EU members to make the EU stronger?

He certainly is not paying to UK banks who are getting weaker as the Govt borrows less money and prices rise.

gronchbove: Let us talk about Cameron. I just wanted us to get a common foundation first.

I believe that the UK has many investments in Europe. The Capitalist plan is to simply "give people more money."

What all Capitalist nations are doing is "printing more money, which increases inflation." That is why prices are rising.

The banks are getting weaker and will continue to do so unless the policy changes.

ghostgeek: The UK is a full member of the EU, just not of the single currency.

gronchbove: Well, Ghost, it "can't be a full member if it is not fully supporting the EU policies."

Case in point, the concept of the EU was to break down cultural history and the differences between European nations. Well, currency is a big element of culture. See, Greek Drachma.

Folks can argue all they want, but UK is not a "full member" like a nation which is using the same currency.

Another key point. For true full members, Belgium decides their monetary policy. For the UK, London decides their monetary policy.

These are very key differences. The UK does not need to follow the monetary policy of the EU, because the Brits have the Pound.

ghostgeek: The UK joined as a full member but chose to retain its currency when some of the other countries decided that they wanted to be puppets of Germany. There is no "United States of Europe" as the current shambles over Syrian Immigrants shows. There is not even a united fiscal policy so the Euro is a half-cock currency at best.

gronchbove: I know Danglos like all that "sitting on the fence."

Brits like to be sort of this:

Part of Europe, but not part of Continental Europe
Part of Anglo-American Alliance and Independent.

I actually commend the UK. Holding onto your currency is essential. It gives you freedom to control your own destiny.

Greece wishes they still had their drachma.

Look at Norway & Sweden - very strong because they still have the Krona.

ghostgeek: Gronchbove, you will have to bear with me here but I haven't got a clue what you mean when you use the term "Danglos". I even looked it up on Google, without success.

gronchbove: Danglos are the 1% who rule the earth.

I have a couple of blogs defining the term of Danglos, just visit my feed.

Let us talk more about the "UK Credit Crunch" in 2008. Traditionally, bankers are very conservative, but in the 2000s, they loaned money to "those who they knew could not pay."

That is a form of fraud. A bankers must find a "financial instrument" that "fits the debtors profile."

Until this banking fraud is handled, Europe will continue to see its economies tank.

LiptonCambell:

LiptonCambell: That been said, i'm sick of this 99% bullshit. It's entirely off topic, and gronch is clearly changing the subject of this thread to use as a soapbox.

I wanted to discuss communism. Not bankers and the occupy wall street movement...

So i'm out

gronchbove: There was a good study on what has really happened with the EU.

The growth rates of countries, such as Greece, Italy and Portugal have fallen. Basically, the EU has siphoned off the money of the poor and transferred it to Germany, Switzerland and the UK.

The bureaucrats in Belgium are doing great. The poor are suffering.

gronchbove: When Danglos can't rationally discuss a topic, they start with name calling and pouting like 2-year olds.

It is completely on topic, Lipton. Maybe you can't handle a real discussion about the differences between Communist and Capitalist policies on money?

LiptonCambell: Dude, you haven't discussed communism for 2 pages. It's just on and on about evil bankers with you.

Lets discuss communist issues;

What is the drive for innovation in a communist nation? Thats a problem alot of people have.

Or how about how the redistribution of property is, essentially, an act of violence, since it requires force.

Again, I don't want to hear whining "Oh but capitalist countries do this too"- i want to discuss what a communist nation would do and why is it ethical.

gronchbove: Lipton, do you have no deeper concepts of money and understanding? Do you not comprehend the most sophisticated and complex viewpoints of the world's economic systems? Must I connect the dots for all of you?

The last couple of pages have been my attempting to educate you guys on the fact that the "UK has its own currency and is not really a full member of the EU." Don't blame me for your own inability to understand the terms.

And, Lipton, don't tell me what to do.

We are free. This is a discussion form. Grow up. You don't have the right to tell any of us what to do!

ghostgeek: It's true that countries such as Greece, Italy and Portugal have suffered during the economic recession, but so have others. The UK got wholloped hard, as did the US, but both were able to drop interest rates to near zero and effectively flood money into the financial system. Short term, that made a difference, but what it really means is that savers have been punished to protect spendthrift borrowers. It isn't always the poor who suffer. Sometimes, more often than should be, it is the prudent who have to carry the burden of other people's poor choices.

LiptonCambell: Lol so you're just too enlightened for others to understand your off-topic ramblings, eh?

Real good way to 'educate' people- by ignoring what they're talking about, demanding they talk about what YOU want to talk about, and calling them stupid if they aren't interested....

gronchbove: I actually like these debates.

Ghost, it is all about empire. The countries at the periphery - PIIGS - have been hurt the hardest. Because the US and UK are the center, they will be hurt last.

Could you answer this question for me, Ghost? If the answer to this Depression in 2008 was to drop interest rates to ZERO, then what will the Danglos do when the next crisis hits?

Aren't they out of bullets?

Lipton, you have a real bad habit of "putting words in people's mouths." I never called you stupid. I did say you misunderstood the linkage between Communism and the "inevitable collapse of Capitalism" that we are seeing before our very eyes. Predicted by Karl Marx.

I only revealed Karl Marx's perspicacity!

ghostgeek: True enough, we're out of bullets. Right now, there's talk of bringing in negative interest rates. You pay to save. In the old days they did things better. If you couldn't pay your debts they stuck you in goal. Now, it's the ones who don't borrow who get punished. That would be OK if the powers-that-be weren't encouraging us all to save for the future. Schizophrenic thinking, surely?

gronchbove: Surely, Ghost. I agree with you.

The UK Empire was built on sound monetary policy.

Sweden is talking about negative interest rates and outlawing cash, right?

That is insane!

In many ways, the Capitalist societies are becoming worse than Communist countries.

My friend withdrew some money from her bank - her bankers looked like she had committed a crime!

LiptonCambell: >>> I never called you stupid.

You compared me to a 2 year old, and told me to grow up.

You insisted, because I'd rather talk about communism(ie the topic of the thread) than the occupy wall street movement, that I lack the understanding of such haughty concepts

You insisted we all need to be 'educated' - but you don't want to interact with anyone. You just want to preach.

Need examples of your preaching too? You took shots at the Vatican. I brought up numerous questions of the relevancy.

You ignored it.

You insisted communists lock up bankers- I pointed out that 6/7th of communists do not.

You ignored it.

I asked direct questions on the function of communism, and if they were as ethical as the capitalists you judge.

You ignored it.

So you didn't call anyone names- that doesn't mean you aren't acting disrespectful. You won't interact in any debates, you won't respond to comments that won't push your agenda, and you act superior and judgmental to anyone who dares to disagree with you.