Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 6)

davidk14
davidk14: .

If all the good law abiding folks gave up their guns, then only the crooks, rapists and murderers will have guns. Nice.

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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: There are parts of the world, and I talk from experience here as I live in one, where the ownership of guns is heavily proscribed. The result is that shootings are a rarity and the police patrol without firearms. Can the same be said of America?
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Geoff 
Geoff: @ghostgeek - I agree, it is nice to live in a country where your odds of being shot (either by a criminal, random member of the public, your own child, and most of all the police) is so slim as to be disregarded almost entirely.

However, the genie is out of the bottle in the US. There are so many guns in circulation there any attempt at controlling them will meet fierce resistance, merely because the criminals all have them and sections of the populace feel their only defence is to arm themselves.

Oh, it might help if you needed more training to be a police officer in the US than to be a hairdresser. Here in the UK our police are exceptionally well trained and all most of them carry is a taser and a baton.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

The video attached is a bank robbery where the crooks had automatic weapons and a gun battle that went on for a long time (approx 44 minutes) because the Los Angeles Police Department had not properly armed their Police Officers. This is one reason more and more 'line' police officers have automatic weapons in the trunks of their police cruisers. They do not have time to wait for a S.W.A.T Team to help out since they are already overwhelmed.



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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Sounds like an arguement for banning automatic weapons.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: How long, I wonder, before everybody in America upgrades to a fully functioning tank?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Perhaps they should dish out an atom bomb with every corn flake packet.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Is America in love with death?
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SoulVIBE
SoulVIBE: Perhaps some are...but, many are conditioned to think unnatural deaths are perfectly acceptable/normal...hence the reason there is not outrage (from most Americans) over the slaughtering of innocent people around the world, by more than just guns...you say in your countries you have less death/violence because you are not allowed to have guns and/or the police dont carry them...but in our country things are much different these days, you can not take your example and apply it to the United States, because those who run your country are not quite the same as those who run our country (and i do not mean the president)...all i can say is that in our country, WE THE PEOPLE do in fact NEED guns to protect ourselves from what lies ahead...you will not understand this, but without them all of our rights would disappear (instead of just most of them)...there is a sickness here that you can not see, because you do not live here, you do not know what is really going on in this country...you see reports of "children killed in massacre" but dont investigate what actually happened or didnt happen...you just take what you are given as fact/truth and form your opinion...but when your information is actually false/a lie, then your opinion will not be your own but one forced upon you by the perpetuation of the falsehoods surrounding the "incident"...not all people that run all countries have their citizens best interests at heart...in fact some are void of heart...this should at least help you to understand a little better as to why some of us feel it IS important to have guns...if not, so be it...take care, Peace and 1 Love to ALL
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: SoulVIBE, is the situation in America quite as bad as you claim? You sound as though you are in a state of siege.
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lori100
lori100: It sounds like he's saying some of the shootings are manufactured for political or other reasons...like I"ve been saying ....
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SoulVIBE
SoulVIBE: I know of a man who is a great danger to the freedom of the people of this land (America)...his name is Marshal Lah, (clears throat) now if he comes to every town in this (once) great nation of ours, he will have much more than just semi automatic weapons at his disposal...thanks to his friends...you see my brother ghostgeek, the conditioning (through various media outlets) does not always happen all at once...they want people to get used to the idea first...so they even get comfortable with it, they "set the mood" you could say...i mean, if you are comfortable with it (giving up all of your rights/liberties/freedom for a false sense of security), why would you question what is happening/has happened?..its easy for some to be dismissive because they believe what they are told, they put trust in those who long ago traded in their very Souls for position/money/"power"...the sickness of which i speak is real brothers and sisters, i know you FEEL it...beyond your ego, beyond your reason, your rationale...feel free to dismiss me as you do many others, but you can only lie to yourself for so long...i love you ALL and i hope ALL of those you Love stay safe, ALWAYS...just be prepared to stand up for Humanity and protect your family as best you can...and remember we are ALL ONE family, stop separating yourselves from one another over minor differences...take care, Peace and 1 Love to ALL
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SoulVIBE
SoulVIBE: and yes, i spelled his name that way intentionally
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I have to wonder if some folks in the U.S. have let their fear of their government get out of hand. It seems a military exercise sparked fears of martial law. Happened in Bastrop, Texas, a town of 7,000 people. The conspiracy theories grew wilder as the exercise grew closer. Food riots and martial law were coming to the United States, some said. Dissidents would be assassinated, Wal-Marts turned into prison camps, and foreign troops brought in to help. Even the governor of Texas ordered the state's National Guard to monitor a weeklong special operations training exercise called Jade Helm 15 involving 1,200 troops and seven states. Of course, none of it happened.

According to a poll conducted by Rasmussen in May, some 60 percent of Americans see the government as a "threat to individual liberty".

How did America get into such a state?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Nobody else seems to see America the way Americans do. Strange.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: America always was in that state. Thomas Jefferson believed America should go through revolutions every few decades.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."
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demented diode
demented diode: We don't have guns here no more, Well the crims do but they only shoot each other. Of coarse if there is a gun laying around it makes the carnage from some nutter going off his or her head a lot worse, than if there was no gun to grab in the first place. shore a knife is just a deadly so is any object, But really why do Americans keep to the belief that a gun will protect them, Maybe 100 years ago in the wild west where there were no police or laws. But times have changed , I think its sad if you live in a society where you feel the need to have a gun to protect yourself. IDK that's just my 2 cents worth. BTW is Charlton Heston still the head of the NRA
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Wild__
Wild__: Charlton Heston died in 2008.

Oh and by the way, I've deterred two home invasion attempts by the sound of a round being chambered.
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mistermills357
mistermills357: They protect and cause violence. If I am not violent when I use force, I am not using force.
Then I would be like you, a self-made weakling who relies on the strong to protect him.
And then hides behind false arguments and triple-locked doors, with craven trembling.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Triple-locked doors? Who the hell has those? Must be an American thing? Guess it's what comes of having all those guns.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Ah, so you're arguing that dangerous people don't exist....

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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Dangerous people do exist, and the better armed they are the more dangerous they are. A knife is more dangerous than a fist, and a gun is more dangerous than a knife. A man with a bomb can kill more than a man with a cudgel. An urban civilization doesn't need guns to survive so it seems sensible to control them.

Funny how America used to boast about how it could do anything but, when it comes to gun control, it claims it is impotent.
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Wild__
Wild__: The vast majority of US citizens do NOT support restrictions on firearms. California learned to never put a gun law on the ballot as it will get shot down be a super-majority.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: So if dangerous people do exist, do you believe a gun ban or restriction will prevent dangerous people from arming themselves?

Or do you believe that innocent people only wishing to protect themselves and their loved ones will be disarmed, and thus, victimized by the dangerous people, who were no detered by assault, murder, and rape laws, and will not be deterred by gun restrictions?

This is what I cannot get around- the laws don't work. We can talk about ideal worlds where banning something means it ceases to exist, but it doesn't matter if we're talking about guns, drugs, or rape- these things still exist, despite laws attempting to deter it.

So the laws will not leave dangerous people unarmed. It will leave their victims unarmed.

And frankly, I believe that self-defense is absolutely a human right- to force another human being into the role of victim for your misguided beliefs in government, is unethical. You want to be disarmed, thats your choice- but don't force that choice onto others.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

10 years from now....

A boat loaded with 100 tons of illegal firearms of all types and calibers was intercepted by the US Coast Guard in the early morning hours. The boat originated in Iran.

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