Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 5)
LiptonCambell: I tell ya what Lori- confront them. Get off your ass and confront the mourning widows.
There you go- the twitter and facebook pages of boyfriend of Alison Parker. I can't wait for you to be dragged into court to address your baseless accusations.
Here's melissa Ott's facebook page- Adam Ward's fiancee- go ahead- call her out on her 'lies'
You sicken me lori. treating a tragedy like this and studying the videos for anything out of place so you can pass judgement and claim they're all liars...
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lori100: you know he actually said the minute he heard of the shooting "I went on facebook and declared my undying love"......sure ..that's what everyone does when their fiancé is killed...
Outbackjack: This is too much Lori.
As someone who has been seriously injured in the past I can say initially you don't feel the pain of a serious wound.
Like I have said before.There are so many nasty things in the world that are known facts.Yet you choose to wax lyrical about some conspiracy.Where you claim that even family members are covering up their loved ones deaths?
And all broadcast live on television.
Dirtyold: We need a change in gun thinking...
Automatic wapons are for killing people!
Shotguns for hunting.
lori100: You don't know if they are the actual family members...there are in fact crisis actors paid to fake injuries in accidents and crimes...if you saw the shooting video there were no wounds, no blood, no police tape at the scenes, no gun casings, several have said it sounded like blanks, the reporter turned and saw the shooter and did nothing, the cameraman wasn't even aimed at them and as the shooter was next to him he turned the camera facing to the side, why didn't they react to the gun pointed at them for several minutes from a few feet away......so fake and staged......
LiptonCambell: >>>.there are in fact crisis actors paid to fake injuries in accidents and crimes...
Ah, so facts don't need proof anymore. Facts are just ideas we make up in our heads to make unlikely events seem more likely...
Jesus Lori, you're so fucked you're justifying harassing the loved ones of these events, insisting they're all actors, just cause they GOTTA be.....
>>> several have said it sounded like blanks
Wow, that must mean their entire family are actors!
You realize this only makes it more difficult of a conspiracy, right? Before, we had to believe their friends and family members and co-workers had to be 'in on it'- but now? Their friends and family members and co-workers are still 'in on it', but so are a bunch of actors and choreographers as well....
It's unbelievable that that many people were in on it to begin with- your solution? more people being in on it!
>>>the reporter turned and saw the shooter and did nothing, the cameraman wasn't even aimed at them and as the shooter was next to him he turned the camera facing to the side, why didn't they react to the gun pointed at them for several minutes from a few feet away......so fake and staged......
Oh my god this is 9/11 all over again- you've watched a video of two people being murdered over and over again, with disgusting glee.....what kind of monster studies snuff films and gets off on them?
LiptonCambell: Oh, and I dunno if Lori is messaging the widows, but you should all take a peak- because people totally are. Those poor people...
lori100: you have been conditioned to believe the media and govt.....some info for you----1990 Testimony of Nayirah:
A 15-year-old girl named “Nayirah” testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but — despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory — it was later discovered that the testimony was false. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony. It turned out that she had taken acting lessons on request of the CIA and was actually the niece of a major politician in Kuwait. Nayirah was later disclosed to be Nayirah al-Sabah, daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA. The Congressional Human Rights Caucus, of which Congressman Tom Lantos was co-chairman, had been responsible for hosting Nurse Nayirah, and thereby popularizing her allegations. ---------------Operation Mockingbird:
Also in the 1950s to ’70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated “Animal Farm,” by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.------------------Watergate:
Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn’t until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.----------------------------Operation Northwoods:
In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years.
Author James Bamford, “A Pretext For War”, discusses the declassified “Operation Northwoods” documents revealing that in 1962 the CIA was planning to stage phony terrorist attacks on the US and blame it on Cuba to start a war:-------more of the Northwoods document----"It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that communist Cuba MIGS have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. "----------"An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers , all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone."--------------------see how they have planned to con the public?...-----------and the FBI said the phone calls made on the planes on 911 never happened....
lori100: " When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic".-- Dresden James ---------- Plato — 'Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.' ------------“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth”
― Albert Einstein
Outbackjack: I wont be looking McLipton. I think it is insane that people could be messaging the family with this nutbag conspiracy nonsense in their most darkest hour.
lori100: look up the Susan Smith murder story...yrs ago Susan Smith , a young mother, was on t.v. for days or weeks crying in the media saying her kids whom she adored had been kidnapped....day after day the media allowed her to fake cry---again , no tears at all, and pathetic acting.begging for their return....from day 1 I didn't buy this con story...it was easy to see she was faking...turned out after weeks of madia pandering they found out she had murdered her own kids.......there was another media frenzy over a college girl who may have been kidnapped, they said over and over how wonderful she was , she would never lie....all they had was a video of her in a lobby seeming to wait for a car to pick her up, then there was tape and rope found in the woods nearby...they did say she had seemed depressed,,,I felt immediately she was in hiding .faking her own kidnapping for attention....this went on for days....a reporter stated college kids were openly laughing and ridiculing the media camped out there for buying this con story...days later a store video showed the girl buying the tape and rope....she had indeed faked it all.......the media was too stupid to see what I and many others could see immediately......-----------------and another con story I never believed from the beginning..I felt she was lying from the beginning...it was too convoluted.....--------The runaway bride case was the case of Jennifer Carol Wilbanks (born March 1, 1973), an American woman who ran away from home on April 26, 2005, in order to avoid her wedding with John Mason, her fiancé, on April 30. Her disappearance from Duluth, Georgia, sparked a nationwide search and intensive media coverage, including some media speculation that Mason had killed her. On April 29, Wilbanks called Mason from Albuquerque, New Mexico, and falsely claimed that she had been kidnapped and sexually assaulted by a Hispanic male and a white woman.
Jennifer Wilbanks gained notoriety in the United States and internationally, and her story persisted as a major topic of national news coverage for some time after she was found and her safety was assured. Many critics of the mass media attacked this as a "media circus". Howard Kurtz, an influential media critic for the Washington Post and CNN-TV, and recently Fox News wrote that the runaway bride had become a "runaway television embarrassment", and he compared the story to a TV soap opera.
chronology: Jack. You are right about not feeling the first impact of a bullet. Knew a Guy one time who was shot in the leg, he never even knew he had been shot. It was hours later he began feeling the pain from the bullet which was lodged in his leg. Another Guy who took a bad neck injury with major blood loss went into shock straight away. He was not in pain but just began falling into a coma 'I feel sleepy' is all he said, then died. It all comes down to adrenaline. American Guys in Vietnam suffered pretty bad because of Booby Traps, painful.
SoulVIBE: "it is the consciousness behind the gun, that decides whether it is positive or negative...so let's not blame it on no pistols, no guns, no gats...let's blame it on the consciousness of the mind holding the gat."...period
ghostgeek: OK, right. If you have a bomb maybe you can kill fifty people. If you have a gun maybe you can kill ten. If you have a stone maybe you can kill one person. Take away the stone and maybe nobody dies. Killing doesn't involve just intent. Means is also important. Take away the guns and fewer people die. It's as simple as that.
SoulVIBE: A gun can also save lives...so with no guns perhaps more people would die (because some could/can not defend themselves by other means)...so your statement is an assumption really, because we do not know how things would be alternatively...