Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 274)

Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Once again Bozo you're displaying your complete ignorance of science. Especially the natural sciences. You may have some basic skills in maths and stats but your ability beyond this is non existent.
If you object to us killing possums come to NZ and take them all back to Australia. There's currently about 70 million of them destroying our natural environment. We don't care how they go we just want them gone.
After the possums feral cats need to be eradicated and strict controls placed on domestic cats. Rats are another pest we carry out a continuous war against. So yes, there most certainly is a branch of science that involves killing, it's known as conservation. NZ has an entire govt department devoted to it.
See if you can refrain from posting here until you learn something about the subject. You too Levy
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Levy you are living proof, just like Bozo that someone can place any interpretation on another person's words to suit their own narrative. Bozo can take a sentence of mine and turn it into something completely different from what I said.
You take a single word and change its meaning to suit you.
Both of you post a complete load of bollocks. Neither of you have the faintest concept of what responsible gun ownership means, or of what science is.
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bonzono
bonzono: oh loin,

there is no part of the scientific method that says 'kill things'.

you absolute, complete and utter moron.


lol - i mean, you get your 'science' from anti science, anti vax conspiracy blogs, no wonder you have exactly no idea what you're talking about.

it's so sad that stupid people like you exist and think you have a clue.

stay in school kids, you dont wanna end up like loin.



Back to the topic - as I pointed out, people like loin will use ANY excuse to justify their gun ownership - though I have to admit, I've never seen anyone as desperate an ignorant to try to use 'duuuuu. cuz sience ' as an excuse.


The problem is that people like loin are not only profoundly stupid, profoundly poorly educated, they also suffer from a mental problem - cognitive dissonance. This is a condition which affects your ability to think clearly, rationally and dispassionately - loin is hellbent to own his gun. He wants to shoot animals. He'll dress that up with 'cos ..durrr.. cos ahm doin' sience durrr'...

which, it is most obviously not. - he just uses that an excuse to own a gun.
same is true for any gun owner I've met - though of course, people who don't want a gun - don't own one...


the issue then remains - how do we educate idiots like loin so they comprehend hey don't actually need one? this is the fundamental problem - poor education.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Oh look! The blind leading the blind; you 2 have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Science that involves killing:
1. Medical science, using animals to test new drugs.
2. Surgical; dissection of animals
3. Psychology; The use of many animals in experimentation.
4. Biological Sciences; dissection and study of reptiles, birds and mammals from high school to
PhD level.
5. Conservation; eradication of alien pest predators or species that out compete natives.

OK That's just a few off the top of my head and only killing of animals, if I included plants the list would last till next month.
Seriously you 2, know something about the subject or refrain from commenting.
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Asiababe
Asiababe: Levy you accuse my husband of racist? Fuck you!
Look my pic you will see I am Asian, if he is racist why does he love me so much?
Stupid man you are
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Asiababe
Asiababe: I am medical professional, I know that for scientific research for medicine 115 million animals are killed every year so Bonzo you talking load of kaka
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Asiababe
Asiababe: sorry kaka = shit
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Asiababe
Asiababe: But this don't matter. What right do you think you have to stop my Hubby from his fave sport, hunting, which I also enjoy to go with him into mountains and forest? How will you like it if we stop you doing your favourite hobby, would this be fair?
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happensnow88
happensnow88: What is wrong with having a weapon to defend one's own life or lives of love ones from those who would take those lives?
Even a sword can be very effective, especially with practice,
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: I don't own a gun for self defence, they are tools for conservation of nature or for hunting deer.
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bonzono
bonzono: "Levy you accuse my husband of racist? Fuck you!
Look my pic you will see I am Asian, if he is racist why does he love me so much?
Stupid man you are "

not sure what being fascist has to do with having an asian wife...


I mean, pol pot could be argued to have been fascist
kim jung un certainly is fascist.

both of those people had an asian wife.. so..


looks like yet another person on wire has absolutely no idea of the meanings of the words they use. - asia, whatever school you were trained in, you ripped them off.
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bonzono
bonzono: "Science that involves killing:
1. Medical science, using animals to test new drugs.
wrong, the purpose of these tests is not to kill animals. the purpose is to examine the effects of the drugs, which may or may not kill the animals.

2. Surgical; dissection of animals
wrong, the purpose of dissection is not to kill the animals, indeed, dissection of animals is routinely done on animals killed other ways.


3. Psychology; The use of many animals in experimentation.
wrong, again, the purpose of the psychology is not to kill animals.


4. Biological Sciences; dissection and study of reptiles, birds and mammals from high school to "
wrong, again, the purpose of these studies is not to kill animals.


once again, you've put the cart before the horse, you're assuming that science has in its goals, the motivation to kill.

you are wrong, it does not.


which just goes to show how poorly educated you are in science - as if we ever needed yet more evidence of that.


in case you're still stupid about this loin, run along to the scientific method. find which part of the scientific method says 'kill animals'.

can't find it?
right.

cos it aint there.

educate yourself, and your wife while you're at it, you're both as stupid as each other, as it turns out.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: You complete moron Bozo.
How do you propose animals are dissected in class or after being given a disease and drugs to cure it? Cut it up while it's still alive I guess.
The purpose of dissection is to learn about the inside of an animal and the scientific method lays out how this can be done. The actual killing of an animal is only what makes this possible, it is not the goal of the scientist to merely kill.
In conservation killing alien species of predator is the only way endangered wildlife can be saved from extinction. Stupid idiots like you would and do cause many species to become extinct.
Perhaps you'd like to come to NZ and live capture every possum and return them to Australia to be released? Come on, there's only 70 million of them.
Possums are not the only predator threatening our biodiversity, there are about 5 million feral cats and millions of domestic cats being allowed to roam unchecked. The ferals must be eradicated and the domestics kept under control, caged 24/7 if necessary. Maybe while you're catching possums you'd like to catch the cats and take them home? While you're at it millions of rats and mice are living in NZ's forests.
Where does it stop? Introduced wasps are killing our native wildlife and taking the food supply (honeydew) of several of our bird species. Science is working on efficient ways to kill wasps.
You should refrain from commenting till you have something intelligent to add.
The goal of science is not to kill animals, it is to learn about them and how to control some. This necessitates killing in some cases Science can teach us how to do this humanely and how many it is necessary to kill in order to achieve a goal.
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Asiababe
Asiababe: Bonzo you should learn about things before you make comment on this forum. Is obvious you know nothing about medical science.
In Nursing School class we disected rats and rabbits to learn about circulation coz we had to know about how to treat stroke and heart attack. We didn't have to kill our animal, it was done for us and dye injected into the heart so we could see blood vessels easier. You think better if we cut up rat while it is alive? I dunno if your scientific method says kill animals or nor. but I am sure it don't say cut them up while they are alive.
You really are silly. Are you vegan?
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Oh BTW who mentioned fascist Bozo? Yet you criticise others for getting words wrong. Maybe you are vegan. Vegans get stuff wrong due to a lack of adequate nutrition. My wife said racist, not fascist
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happensnow88
happensnow88: The United States Congress is the most gun crazy, kill crazy pack of maniacs in the world.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: I think that's almost the entire US population 88
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happensnow88
happensnow88: USA Secretary of State, Madelein Albright said that killing a million children in Iraq was "worth the price" definitely proves that USA has some serious mental problems.
Maybe USA needs to be disarmed?
Enjoyed Your humor, Sir Loin in Your previous post.
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Thank You, Asiababe. Some times "medical science" is a cover story: In the middle to late 1800's in Europe many women died from infection after giving birth in hospitals. When a German Doctor (Zimmelweise) proved that those deaths were caused by doctors using un-sterilized medical instruments that previously were used to dissect dead bodies. Those same murderous doctors did everything they could to destroy Dr. Zimmelweise; And His hospital had little or no infection deaths for mothers and other patients.

Even now a days, Doctors cause a lot of harm, but they are excused because they have a license to practice. Why folks want some doctor jerk practicing on them is a bit of a mystery.
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Another piece of "medical science" is when Germany mass vaccinated Germany for smallpox. This was followed by the worst small pox epidemic previously experienced.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Fortunately doctors have learned a lot since those days 88. Much of it from nurses. Florence Nightingale showed them how to sterilise instruments.
Personally I prefer to consult a nurse about my health than a doctor. My wife is a nurse so it's also easier.
What happened back in the 1800s really is irrelevant to this forum which is about today's gun problem.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: BTW, there was no humour intended in the post you mentioned, I was merely trying to show Bozo how ridiculous her argument was
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Doctors have the same mentality now as those that persecuted Zimmelweise.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Yes, they develop a bit of godlike, infallibility complex 88. Many don't like nurses diagnosing illnesses and suggesting treatments but this is becoming much more common here, a dr is called only for prescribing restricted medicines such as narcotics or for major surgery. Nurses are able to perform minor surgeries.
Doctors are being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century 🤣
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happensnow88
happensnow88: As long as there is no apprentice system to train "doctors", Young doctors will be under heavy debts and are thus have incentives to "cooperate" with drug company and other "medical" scams.
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