Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 171)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Who cares why people use guns. It's the fact that they have those firearms that leads to so many deaths.
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ghostgeek: The gun buyers of 2020–21 are different from those of years past: They are more likely to be people of color and more likely to be women. They are not buying guns to join a race war, or to overthrow the government, or to wait for Armageddon in a bunker stocked with canned beans. They just want to deter a burglar or an assailant, should one come.

Those dangers are real, and it’s understandable that people would fear them and seek to avert them. But like the people who refuse lifesaving vaccines for fear of minutely rare side effects, American gun buyers are falling victim to bad risk analysis.

They need to meet the grandparents who stuffed a gun beneath a pillow while cooking—and returned to their granddaughter’s dead body. They need to see the man in prison because he lost his temper over a parking space. They need to listen to the parents whose teenager found a suicide weapon that had not been locked away. They need to know more about the woman killed in the electronics aisle at an Idaho Walmart when her 2-year-old accidentally discharged the gun she carried in her purse.

They need to hear a new call to conscience, aimed not at the paranoid and the extreme, not at the militiamen and the race warriors, but at the decent, everyday gun owner.

You want to be a protective spouse, a concerned parent, a good citizen, a patriotic American? Save your family and your community from danger by getting rid of your weapons, and especially your handguns. Don’t wait for the law. Do it yourself; do it now. Do it because you just bought your first home, do it because you just got married, do it because you just had the baby you cherish more than anything in this world. The gun you trust against your fears is itself the thing you should fear. The gun is a lie.

As more Americans recognize the lie, they may notice a powerful new possibility. Once emancipated from the false myth of the home-protecting gun, they will find it easier to write laws and adopt policies to stop the criminals and zealots who carry guns into the streets. Win enough elections, and the federal courts will retreat from their sudden gun advocacy—and return to their historic deference to state regulation of firearms.

None of this will be easy, but it is not impossible. Over the past half decade, we’ve seen American society changed for the better through mass movements such as #MeToo. Now we need a new moral reckoning.

Twenty-five hundred years ago, the Greek writer Thucydides described the progress of civilization. It began, he said, when the Athenians ceased carrying arms inside their city, and left that savage custom to the barbarians. It’s long past time for Americans to absorb this first lesson from the first democracy.

[ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/responsible-gun-ownership-is-a-lie/619811/ ]
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Today I read that a US cop shot and killed a 62 year old man in a wheelchair whom he suspected of shoplifting. The cop fired 9 times into his victims back!
A sick sick society
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Fractured fairy tale: So Young people are going too Stop Joining Gangs Becuse They get Rid of Guns
I don't Think you need Guns But Thats beside The Point , Its Seems like a Way Over Simplication , Too Just Say Get rid of all Guns and every thing will be fine and Dandy

its like Saying we Will wipe out A Pandumic with Vaccices but Ignore All the side Affectcts and saftey concerns , That only a few decades ago Would Of been Taken verry Seriously But Now we don't have Too Becuse , I don"t know why , Besides the fact Theses Remedies are handed Too Every one on a sliver Platter
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Fractured fairy tale: The Empire Is In Decline im Afraid Like all Empires Eventually Do
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Fractured fairy tale: The iconic symbal of the Empire The Shinging Becon of light too the rest of The World of its might and Power , The World Trade centre Has gone Kollapsed into the history Books
Too be Replaced by The One World Centre or what ever its called , oh well
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Other developed countries got a grip on gun madness so America could too, if it wanted to.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Yeah Ghost but those other countries belong to the civilised world
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Fractured fairy tale: I never Knew there Was Gun Madness here I remember The bloke up the street Used too Clean his Rilfle at the top of his driveway No One Used too bat a eyelid 2 years later there banned , But Looking Back it was around the Time they Signed the Country Up too the new world econimic order
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Fractured fairy tale: Flood Africa With Vaccines Quick Quick were told, What for out of a population of 6 billion theres only 800 people in Hospital with said Virises , But No Data on How sick they are or even if there there for said virises , Cos they only know there got it after there admitted Most of them could be there for something else ,
There all Had Natural Immunity has swept the Continate ,
But that Doesen"t Fit in With the One Size fits all Narative of todays world , Oh well
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Fractured fairy tale: Watch out they China Might Cut off your Supplies
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Supplies of what fairy, new tvs? 🤣
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: With the right to own guns enshrined in our constitution " the right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed" The american government can do nothing about it. The best we can do is crack down on gun sales to crazies, and criminals.
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Fractured fairy tale: Well Why does the American Govenment Talk of defunding the police then , Sounds like there there Own Worst enemies
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Kitty, I'm not familiar with your constitution but it seems like an amendment was rushed through without critically thinking about the ramifications. Sure owning firearms is a right that should be protected but with that right comes responsibility. Perfectly obvious to anyone with half a brain but even half is more than many people have.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Couldn't agree more. It's frustrating, watching one mass murder after another while the politicians mutter sweet words, and hold out their hand to the NRA's donations
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Fractured fairy tale: I Like This Quote From The Famous You know who

At the end of an empire
nothing makes sense...
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
It is weird to me that someone will go into a situation with a gun and them claim to shoot & kill in self defence.
They want weapons but can’t handle the responsibility that comes with it. Other countries have guns but they also implement laws that properly regulate how it is used and who gets to use it.
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Wordy and Fun
Wordy and Fun: If a person is attacked - whether the attacker has a gun or not - the victim of attack has the right to defend themselves -


We have plenty of gun laws here - The problem is they are not enforced properly

And no law on the book in any country is going to stop someone who should not have a gun from getting one if they want to




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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
A person with a gun should not place themselves in a situation that warrants the use of a gun when they can avoid such a situation. That is common sense.

I will not go with a gun wearing a BLM shirt to a MAGA protest. That is common sense.

The argument that no laws will prevent a person from getting a gun does not matter, we are still to have such laws to minimise a situation as much as possible. It is the same for any law. We will not remove a law stating rape is a crime simply because rape will still occur.

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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
The problem isn’t only on enforcement, but also inadequate and poor legislations.
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Wordy and Fun
Wordy and Fun: Common sense is the police / government not allowing a situation to get to a point where a person should need a gun to go out into public - Should people just hide in their homes because "peaceful protests" are not peaceful ? Should citizens hide in their homes while businesses are being burned down ?

Common sense says that if you see someone with a gun you do not attack him - Or how about common sense / the law says not to attack anyone ? Whether it be MAGA protest or BLM protest people should not be afraid of protestors


We do have laws that state criminals can not get guns legally already - What good is passing more laws that state the same thing?

Who is saying to remove any existing laws?
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
Are you stating that citizens should take it upon themselves to take their weapons to shoot at protesters over those within that group who may cause damage to a building?

Last I checked the penalty for causing any damage to a building is not death.

Noone has the right to take the law into their own hands, leaving the comfort of their homes to go out to play He-Man.

A gun is a weapon, not a toy. A person with a weapon has to be responsible with it. It’s not an extension of the ego either.



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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
An example of a failed legislation:

The Statue which states:
“Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor,”

It is intended for minors to not carry guns. Yet it also carries a loophole. It exempts all long guns. Which nullifies the purpose.




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