Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 141)

ghostgeek: Somebody needs to install machine guns on every street corner. That way, everybody can be shot and there won't be any violence ever again.

Fractured fairy tale: Better watch out were there made . First sign of a bit of dew and they might all shut down. I suppose a slick marketing campaign will take care of that as long as people have the perception they will work all good I suppose

ghostgeek: China is the workshop of the world so I'm betting we'll be buying everything from them.

TheCovenant: The police fatally shot an unarmed homeless man. They just shot him, the bullets and blood loss killed him.... (with apologies to Tom Cruise and Collateral)

kittybobo34: Many of these situation are because the homeless on the streets are actually mentally ill, and the cops are not the right people to be handling that situation.

TheCovenant: Thank God he was both mentally ill and homeless, those are both affirmative defenses to a manslaughter charge.

In the United States, A homeless man sleeping under a bridge has the same status in law as living in an abode. It requires a search warrant to search his belongings. If the homeless mentally ill man was standing on cardboard, then he was killed in his own home.

kittybobo34: Covenant,,,You're not taking into account the erratic behavior of the mental case involved. He was spitting on the cops and wouldn't stop so they put a bag over his head. Not sure what else he was doing as that is sealed now, but they felt forced to restrain him.. Cops deal with all sorts of dangerous situations and my sympathy goes out to them for having to cope with mental patients. So my first inclination is to hold judgement until the facts are out.

TheCovenant: Wow homeless, mentally ill and also possibly diseased, Jesus Christ no wonder they had to kill him.

kitty, you to can spit, does that mean the cops should use deadly force in case you might have a disease and scratch them with one of your nails. I cant tell you how many times i've been scratched in hospitals(camh) by diseased old haggs and i never killed anyone much less an old lady. Just got a needle in the arm to calm me down.

kittybobo34: Covenant,, again we do not know the details, so no reason to point fingers yet.

TheCovenant: three words kitty, pepper spray and tasers. They are killers kitty. Imagine if they did that to a 12 year old boy puking blood on their shirts.

ghostgeek: The police in the UK also deal with the mentally ill, but because they don't all carry guns they shoot fewer nut jobs.

murrayduan: TheCovenant: Wow homeless, mentally ill and also possibly diseased, Jesus Christ no wonder they had to kill him.
kitty, you to can spit, does that mean the cops should use deadly force in case you might have a disease "

While he was spitting on Police he claimed to have Covid. They put a spit hood on him to protect him from his saliva.

Could it have been handled differently yes, was their other options, yes.

He also had PCP in his system.

TheCovenant: Ghost geek, do mean the Heckler and Koch Machine Pistols that the British Police carry in the streets. I think you are caught in a time warp in the 1960s when bobbies didn't carry guns. I like their black uniforms and balaclavas. Very stylish.

Lawyers for the seven police officers suspended over Prude’s death have said the officers were strictly following their training that night, employing a restraining technique known as “segmenting.” They claimed Prude’s use of PCP, which caused irrational behavior, was “the root cause” of his death.

Jesus Christ? No, Jesus H Christ, Homeless, mentally ill , diseased and addicted. Killing him was a favour. Thanks a lawt.

ghostgeek: When lockdown ends buy a plane ticket to the UK and take a look at a typical bobby. I'm betting you won't find any packing Heckler and Koch Machine Pistols on the high street.

Wild__: The people of the UK are more into knives and consider carving each other up to be a hobby.

ghostgeek: Probably because knives are all they can get their hands on.

ghostgeek: There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in financial year 2017/18 — the nearest equivalent time period — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.

Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18 — the highest number since the Second World War — and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49. So even amid a spike in British knife crime, Americans as a whole are at least as likely as to die from a stabbing.

[ https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/18/deadly-knife-crime-how-does-london-compare-to-new-york ]

chronology: Covenant. There is no disputing that America had a a serious attitude problem towards the mentally ill. It all began in the 1980s when Hinkly was found not guilty of shooting Mr Reagan on the grounds of mental illness. Hinkly came from a wealthy family and could afford a top class lawyer. After his lenient sentence, American's began raging at how'loonies' were getting away with murder. What followed was an era of brutality towards people with mental health issues. People were executed in the States who would not even have been charged with murder in other countries. You also had execution style shootings of mentally ill people on the streets of America. Often for trivial threat's.

England followed the American line and sensational stories of'loonies' attacking people filled the newspapers throughout the 1980s.

A senior Scotland Yard Officer commented that for every attack on normal people by mentally ill people, there were ten time's as many mentally ill people beaten up and attacked just for the amusement of the attackers.

It does not seem as bad today. But the root's of the problem went back to Mr Reagan's shooting and the public perception that'crazies' were getting away with murder.

Fractured fairy tale: Oh here we Go Ronald Bloody raygun , Who Cares he has 300 body guards As if normal peoples lives have any thing to do With Idiotic Ruyguns

Fractured fairy tale: Hey Martha What you reckon the boys at hoolywood studio 1 ae doing

TheCovenant: ghostgeek and chronology, you forgot the statistics from Northern Ireland.
The American Mental hospitals underwent reform when Elenor Rosevelt insisted that consciencious objectors be allowed to work in hospitals instead of military service.

Anyone who has been committed to prison or a state institution understands that the severe punishments involved in incarceration warrants any and all attempts to resist and escape punishment. Prison and mental hospitals are so severe they are worth dying over to avoid. At least Daniel Prude believed this.

I wasn't there to see it, but I hear Byron Hadley was sobbing like a little girl when they took him away.

chronology: Covenant. Interesting. But must say, Id have a case of cold feet with the subject.

TheCovenant: Yes people believe in the police without understanding what they really do. Its not ignorance, its just that people police and Judges just don't care.

I feel like, nowadays, we’re gettin’ a real good look at each other. It’s wild, because I even have insight into how the white community must’ve felt watching the black community go through the scourge of gun violence… because I don’t care either.

chronology: Those GPS ankle things will probably help.