Is Israel going crazy? (Page 5)

davidk14: .

From Egypt, the largest Muslim country, after their attack into Lybia to attack ISIS....

"Egypt and the whole world are in a fierce battle with extremist groups carrying extremist ideology and sharing the same goals."

Finally, the 99% are starting to respond to their 1% radical, extremist Muslims.

The question is, will or how long will it take until they try to turn their barbarism onto Jews instead of Muslims?

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davidk14: .

I called it!


From the AP:

Hezbollah leader denounces mass beheading of Copts, says Israel's Mossad, CIA behind IS
Published February 16, 2015
Associated Press


BEIRUT – The leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah group has strongly denounced the Islamic State group's beheading of a group of Egyptian Christian hostages in Libya.

In a speech to hundreds of his supporters in southern Beirut Monday, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah says the CIA and Israel's Mossad are behind the extremist group, which serves their interests.

He claims Israel is the only country which has not been affected and does not consider the group a threat.

The Iranian-backed Shiite Hezbollah group, which has sent thousands of its fighters to Syria to help shore up President Bashar Assad's forces, has positioned itself as a vanguard against Sunni extremists such as the Islamic State group.

Nasrallah called on regional governments to work together to confront IS, whose crimes "are a threat to the entire universe."

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slasian: Look how the moron argues, some of us knows him as the dud which is his true wire name some of you knows him as davidk14. just look at his bigotry. He posted, in response to jack I supposed

"You have used the word massacre when talking about Israel defending itself. You have not used the word massacre when Hamas almost on a daily basis intentionally tries to murder Jews"

How stupid are you dud?

Israel actually kills when Hamas is trying to kill! Please we can post numbers if you like. How many are murdered by Israel (only innocents and doesn't include combatants or those who are also not approved by UN and the government of Israel as non combatants) Just in the last year's 'war', more than 1800 (out of this 513 are children) people were slaughtered by the Israeli government. Furthermore, nearly 10,000 people were injured.

How many did Hamas kill, or slaughtered well 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (out of these one is child) and one Thai civilian were killed (must be unlucky tourist). 469 Israeli soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.

Now, one can see the scale. (I didn't include the death of Hamas solders or that are rejected as a non combatant by the Israeli government from the Palestinian side.

You are not a moron or a dummy you are also a retarded man, didn't wire has some rule against bigots?

Since when did it become antisemitism or whatever to say Israel kills more in the name of defense than Hamas in the name of freedom? Oh my god are we not allowed to speak the truth as it happened? Didn't the government of Israel kill a lot of innocent people compared to Hamas?

The word massacre is used to describe the killing of innocents. Unless one is a complete bigot, who is killing the innocents doesn't matter. Whether Israel or Hamas, a massacre is a massacre!

davidk14: .

Self defense is not the definition of the word massacre.

Israel left the Gaza 100% to the Palestineans in 2005. Israel said adios....100%.

If Hamas did or does not fire rockets, I guarantee, 100% that Israel will not fire one rocket...will not fire one bullet. Guaranteed.

On the other hand, if you are a moron and fire a rocket or bullet into Israel, then you get what you deserve.

Obviously, you are a moron supporting morons.



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slasian:

So the word massacre will not be applied to the government of Israel even if they have slaughtered 1000% more innocent civilians than Hamas?

Ehh...

Last night, i went to a circus and to my shock I heard a circus monkey praying in a loud and clear tone.

He said, "Thank you God for making me not davidk, oh God a thousand thanks for that and I will burn tones of Banana in your altar. Oh great almighty thank you for the gift that I am not davidk and nor will my child inherit his genes. Oh great almighty blessed be thy name forever and ever"

Outbackjack: We need to never lose sight of the fact that innocent civilians have been massacred on both sides in ongoing incidents.

Its just that the Israeli military has carried out a hell of a lot more of these massacres.

anym:
Outbackjack: "We need to never lose sight of the fact ...."

Good luck with that! Polarised attitudes, outraged egos and entrenched belief systems trump facts every time. It's sad, sad, sad but true everywhere. Call for an objective, unprejudiced review of the real facts, the possibilities for humanistic** change, and you're whistling in the wind.

**humanistic - of or pertaining to a philosophy asserting human dignity and man's capacity for fulfillment through reason and scientific method and often rejecting religion.

slasian: We also know the exact number of the innocent civilians massacred on both side, but to point that out is...

Sounds like my grandmothers jock, she used to say, "kido, whenever I fart, you should take the responsibility". Emm, seems like the world is applying granny's logic, whenever the West kills the blame should be on 'Them'. If they didn't start it...

A massacre is a massacre and a fart is fart. The truth is that our fart stinks as theirs does, but we are denying it.

A sick world where injustice is rationalized as self defense! Oh and the judges... they blame the world for making them mad whilst they are the judge to the madness. Sounds like a Shakespearean tragedy.

anym: slasian: "Sounds like a Shakespearean tragedy."

This kind of tragedy has been played out everywhere and forever on life's stage. Shakespeare got his ideas by observing human behaviour. Imagine what our species could achieve if we acknowledged that we're all in the same boat and started rowing together.

This thread could equally be titled "Is the human race crazy?"

davidk14: .

I have always stated, once Hamas is disarmed and the Palestinean Authority is recognized as the soul legitimate and only representative of the Palestinian people, then there could be partners in finding a decent peace agreement where the Palestinians and Israeli's could exist in two separate states side by side...in peace...through negotiations.

But not until Hamas is gone.

There are those people that believe that the Israeli's have massacred people. If there were no Hamas, there would have been no attacks from Gaza and therefore no retaliation by Israel. Israel did not attack Gaza...Hamas attacked FROM Gaza.



Today is today.



If yot got rid of Hamas today, a peace treaty would be negociated between the Palestinean Authority and Israel and and it would be signed within weeks.



Guaranteed.

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Bat_Tziyon: Israel is playing defence on this matter, that is clear.

anym: ".... a peace treaty would be negociated ..... Guaranteed."

So davidk14 thinks he can guarantee the future behaviour of nationalist politicians. Wow!

Where has he been? The world needs him!!

davidk14: .

The world needs to know that peace can be guaranteed WITHOUT Hamas. All the Palestinean people and all Israeli's want peace....without Hamas.

Guaranteed.

Israel signed peace deals with Egypt, the largest Muslim country in the world with a population of 80 million people. And for peace, Israel returned the Sinai, a huge land mass with the Red Sea ports as well.

Israel also signed a peace agreement with Jordan as well.

And you think that Israel wouldn't sign a deal with the 2 million Palestineans? Seriously. Thats chump change. Get rid of Hamas and peace is weeks away. The only thing keeping peace from happening....Hamas.


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Outbackjack: I remember just over a decade or so ago the U.S and its allies were encouraging "democracy" amongst Palestinians to rid them from the corruption of Fatah and to overturn the rule of Yasser Arafat.

Well the people spoke at the time and voted in Hamas.Like it or not Hamas were originally democratically elected.They are not going anywhere anytime soon.

During the second intifada when civilians were cowering in their homes under curfew.Having their water tanks shot out and being denied the basic necessities of life because of the Israeli occupation.Hamas were there to provide them with them when the whole world turned their backs.

To the surviving Palestinians Hamas meant food and they were grateful that their families were saved from starvation and dying of thirst.

davidk14: .

A decade or so ago, Israel left the Gaza and the Palestinean Authority took control of Gaza. There was no Hamas, just the Palestinean Authority, the legally elected entity to govern over Gaza and the West Bank. Then in 2007, Hamas violently ejected the PA and took over the Gaza, murdering their fellow Muslims.

The Gazans elected Hamas. The minority of Palestineans elected Hamas...for Gaza. And we all know what happened then. Hamas went on a murderous rampage to murder Jews following their Charter....to murder Jews.

And still....Israel allows Humanitarian Aid to flow into Gaza. Even though Hamas tries every day to murder Jews, Israel allows Humanitarian Aid to flow into Gaza.

Hamas builds tunnels and bombs and all for one thing...to murder Jews. Hamas is trained and supplied by Iran, a country vowing to destroy Israel.

And there are those that support Hamas's efforts.

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R E B E C C A:
Well i get the point backwardjack makes about hamas being voted in....They were voted in AND the promises Hamas made at the time of their election were that they had no plans to pursue peace talks or disarm the party's armed wing, a condition Israel had set for beginning negotiations. They did not vote for peace or negotiations....they were promised continued violence and a desire to eliminate isreal....they got what they voted for...

This is why the BNP does not get any support in England....You cannot vote for racial hate n then expect to live in peace!

anym: It's a mistake to believe we know why any individual - much less a whole society - voted the way they did. Too many factors are involved in a person's voting decision: What issue most concerned them? Did some who thought they were voting "strategically" see their strategy go awry? Were they voting deliberately for a party's ideology; or for whoever they thought was the best candidate? Did they hold their nose and just vote for the least undesirable? What overall outcome was each of them hoping for, and how many got their wish?

It's handy for the sake of argument to pretend we can identify some single group motivation of an entire society, (or even that there IS such a thing) but of course we can't (and there isn't.)

The Kid_:
why is hamas attacking Israel? Not cause they want to kill Jews
but because Israel have caused a blockade on Palestine. The palis are like rats caged in...not allowed to leave or enter their own state

but I guess your western media's don't tell you that
back to our saying "west are blind"

R E B E C C A: hmm well it fair to say that usually it goes like this.....parties announce their manifesto's then you listen/read n decide which sounds best and then vote accordingly.

Though I am aware that our own Muslim community are partial to a lil vote rigging.....ie Muslims with a public voice urging the other Muslims to vote for a labour government....promising the labour party all their votes in return for more rights for Muslims etc. N of course the politicians are looking after their own sad lil careers rather than doing what is right. This undermines the idea of everyone having a vote and its unwelcome here....does that make them think twice about it?....Of course not!! N because of this practice we have 85 Sharia courts to deal with "civil" matters. You could say that it doesn't affect me so why worry about it. But Im a believer in equality n Sharia law isn't.. So its an insult to our society to have Sharia law here....N when Muslims opt to insult our heritage our beliefs they should expect that people will get angry about it.
By the same token the Palestinians should take into account that if they vote for a party who openly admit they want Israel gone, Israel is gonna defend itself......Surely they arent so totally lacking in self awareness that they cannot foresee that much?
Btw "western media" is sooooooo bias towards Palestine and the Muslim population in general, its nauseating, and its hard to learn the facts.....The truth of media bias is that if you want to see Muslims portrayed in a bad light....you need to watch Islamic media.....N it really highlights just how racist and twisted their ideology is

Find me the equivalent of this in western media. You wont! Bias does exist in our media to hear Muslims complain about it is 'kin ludicrous.....Islam holds our media to ransom and then whinges that is not enough

R E B E C C A: children are easy pickings....they will believe whatever they are told.....santa, tooth fairies, allah is good etc......see the difference is santa and the tooth fairy give presents so as people grow they takeover the role of present giver.....allah gives nothing so its easy to continue the lie.......But to tell children suicide and dying for him ...... its just vile, it doesn't warrant consideration or respect they need help to want your own children to die for allah wtf is that?
Maybe this explains why some people have the delusion of the western media being anti islamic....Most muslims are trying to be good people.....the ideology they follow is what stops them, and its disturbing.

anym: The Kid_: ".... but I guess your western media's don't tell you that"
Some do, some don't and some try to be unbiased.
'.... back to our saying "west are blind"'
Some westerners are, some aren't and some are just nonplussed.
Exactly like media, and exactly like populations ..... everywhere.

anym: R E B E C C A: "hmm well it fair to say that usually it goes like this.....parties announce their manifesto's then you listen/read n decide which sounds best and then vote accordingly."

It's only "fair" to say so if it conveniently provides support for our prejudices & attitudes. Every "manifesto" is likely to include initiatives both desirable and undesirable to the individual voter. We have no idea what weight someone gives to the various policies, what goes into any person's voting decision - much less whether the majority actually got the result they wanted.

Just THINK about it.

R E B E C C A: ARE YOU JOKING???? Give me a break!!! The Western media and governments CONSTANTLY AVOID blaming Islam for anything to the point when victims of western hate are blatantly ignored......It amounts to treason


poop posted wrong video

So reluctant to be called racist they failed to protect the children they are paid to protect. Would they of been so afraid of dealing with this if Muslims weren't crying racism....the gangs may make up a small number of Muslims yet its the overall Muslim population that makes reporting this a crime against Muslims.....they do that....n its the child victims who suffer!! That is wrong!

R E B E C C A:


N tell me this as the mother of two girls living in an area where there's a large Pakistani Muslim community what should I teach my children.?...That these people are just like us and of no threat or would you teach them to stay away because actually, they think we are trash?

anym: Rebecca, is it me you're yelling at?

I think what you should teach your children is what all children should be taught; try always to be rational, critically thoughtful and as respectfully tolerant as possible. But to do that you'd have to avoid browbeating them; calm down and give up on the outraged rhetoric. You have to teach by example.

Don't imagine you can get people to respect your opinion by yelling at them. When folks start shouting at me I usually just stop responding and frequently leave. They possibly cheer if I do, but that's OK.