What do you think about the war in Ukraine? (Page 2)

dave3974: you are a racist and plainly the russians need to be free of someone like you who is a bigot obsessed by the past , good luck to the russians , your post explains lot ,

AlisaK: Lol dave , Russians need to be free from her? I won't say what they need, but I need them to respect neighbors.

The13th: I for once can tell you they do in the far east. Some border issue with china from the 60's are resolved amicably about 10 years back. While the west is crying sanction, just 3 days ago China Russia and Mongolia announce cooperation in economic development. And this looks like just a start. In 10 years time expect big economic boom in that area.

And let's not forget how this trouble in Kiev start. Some unidentified sniper fired at the crowd and kick start a chain of events that lead to the stand off today. You don't have to be Agatha Christy to figure out that someone associated with present government orchestra that shit. To me that is the defining moment, from that point onward the Russian has no choice but to go for separation because as parents you just cannot let your kids live under a sinister government that will play dirty with the people. They will screw your kids in whichever way they can.

dave3974: perhaps if the west had not backed the coup this illegal government would not have started a war against the russian minority , good luck to them in their fight

makkowka: I got you Dave.You will support terrorists because they are russian...

makkowka: You know gays it all not about one shot in Kiev. there was long time prepared plan to bring all countries back to SU.but thanks God Ukraine grew up from that communists time.
By the way all russian refugees from Ukraine Putin sending to Syberia ..that's about big love to his people.

The13th: Where the Russian send their beloved people to should not be a concern here in this context.

If you believe that Russian are coming to take Ukraine, just pick up arm and fight them or die trying. This is a heroic act. They world will respect Ukraine if you do that.

But don't fire into your own crowd as if they are just rabbits because you want to sieze power. This is a sinister act. The world will never trust Ukraine again.

duncan124:
Has Londons treatment of the Scottish finally finished off the Ukraine?

Has Londons unrestrained lies and hate turned it in to the enemy of all under populated but Sovereign counties?

makkowka: Ok gays. Looks like you better know situation in my country then in your own.

makkowka: Dont compare pl Scotland as a civilised country to organised by previous president criminals in Doneck .They dont fight for independence.

duncan124:
The Ukraine said it had removed all actions left from the Russians some years ago. Do you really have any connections? Or are you a deportee from the USA living in Berlin?

makkowka: I am from ukraine.polish by nationality and living in ireland..that better sounds to you?

The13th: The situation is rather simple: Ukraine and Russian no longer want to live together. I remember there is a ukraine woman on wheel chair screaming about kill all the Russian. So either:
a. Ukraine kill all Russian
b. Russian kill all Ukraine, or
c. Russian and Ukraine go separate way.

Just pick one of the above and do it and everything will be fine. But instead what I see is:
d. Ukraine fire at their own supporting crowd, sieze power, and hope that Russian will accept them as government.

Obviously d is not working. So now please stick to a, b or c.

dave3974: more insults because people disagree with you maky , what have the irish done to deserve you

makkowka: Two people dave are not a world.
The people in Ireland Poland Lithuania Georgia and many other countries support Ukraine .like you it or not.
Maybe you know what country will be next victim. Today is Ukraine .before were Moldova and Georgia.
And remember pl Ukraine never fight with own people as Georgia never did.
Your information is from russian media.you repeat every word .
GOOD BUY GAYS.

The13th: Maky lets face it, Ukraine does not have the will to fight the Russia. With the eastern province asking for self rule and independence, the present ukraine government need to put up a show that "we will fight the rebel". Your president just go to US asking for support and from the TV I think Obama is visibly uncomfortable and unhappy sitting nest to that guy, as if he want the world to know he really dont want to get too involved with this guy. The amount of aid come at around 50 million which I think its an amount that shock even your president. Surely American spend more on cat food each year. Even your president is hoping that the Russian army will just roll over the border and he can quickly throw up his arm and said "oh we are defeat by the mighty Russia, you can have the rebel province". But the Russian is definitely not coming over the border - so dont cry victim. Now the embarassment for Ukraine army continue because they dont seems to know how to defeat a small amount of Russian gunmen, but instead keep blowing up civilian houses. So they have to manufacture some lies like the Russian is secretly coming over the border etc etc.

duncan124:
The whole story is fake Boyzz.

The BBC and the Schools had programs about the history of the geography of the Crimea up to the present day and it is obvious that the two stories don't match.

duncan124:
Ahh! The penny is dropping. The Work Program ' providers ' are providing people on the program with Work Wear-----and that of course is made up of US army kit that was intercepted on its way to Poland or the Ukraine.

Th extra spin, that Obama is providing 1 billion in aid might just be a spin too far as the Portuguese President was taken in the arms of someone wearing a US officers kit; and the British tried to sell the Portuguese Enfield rifles.

duncan124:
"Russia is not considering limiting national users to access the Internet, "said Vladimir Putin. He stressed that since the outbreak of the crisis in Ukraine there has been a drastic increase in the number of attacks on Russian Web domains.

According to Reuters, this statement was intended to clamp down on speculation that the authorities plan to introduce restrictions in access to the Internet. Putin said earlier that the internet was created as a project of the CIA.

-You're not going to restrict access to the Internet, enter total State control over him, nacjonalizować him he said Putin at a meeting that serves as an Advisory Security Council.

Such restrictions would be contrary to the fundamental principles of democratic State-he stressed.

Putin said that in recent times, and especially in the last six months, Russian security services observe inter alia a steady increase in the number of cyber attacks on Russian national domain. According to him, the intensity of Web attacks "is dependent on the current international situation" Newsweek.pl

duncan124:
Publico.pt claims " France and Germany are sending peace keepers to the Ukraine ".


A Google search reveals that only the oddest website holds such views.

Eg, facepunch.com › Forum › Facepunch › Sensationalist Headlines

dave3974: i can see no point in re starting the cold war

dave3974: For the false accusations against Putin ?
For the suffering of those who have had sanctions inflicted upon them by the madness which inflicts Brussels ?
Will they be lifted quietly without fanfare & soon?
Will Putin forgive them for their idiocy in not waiting for this report ?
Will anyone correct their mistakes ?
Why are more not asking, why the silence ?

Please read this excellent article,written by James Kunstler:

“In my lifetime, the USA has not blundered into a more incoherent, feckless, and unfavourable foreign policy quandary than we see today.

The US-led campaign to tilt Ukraine to Euroland and NATO — and away from the Russian-led Eurasian Customs Union — turned an “intelligence” fiasco into a strategic humiliation for the Obama White House. Notice that the story has vamoosed utterly from the American media headlines, even when the Russian Engineers’ Union issued a report last week asserting that the Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was most likely shot down by 30mm cannon fire from Ukrainian military aircraft.

The USA State Department didn’t deign to refute it because doing so would have drawn attention to the fact that it was the only plausible explanation for what happened.”

Now the US and the EU have to support it with billions in loans that will never be paid back. Meanwhile, our European allies have been snookered into a set of economic and financial sanctions against Russia that guarantees they’ll be starved for oil and gas supplies in the winter months ahead.”

The_Rose_: The war in Ukraine is not fought by Russians but my Pro-Russians in Ukraine who are Ukraine citizens and wants Ukraine to rejoin Russia. The Ukrainian army is fighting protesters, which is illegal under the laws of "war". So, in return Putin is arming those men who are fighting to get a vote.

Just like in Crimea. Pro-Russians stood up and asked for an election. The Ukrainian government did not give it, so they turned violent. When Putin said he will "interfere" if the Ukrainian army attacks the Pro-Russians, is when the Ukrainian government allows Crimea's citizens to have a vote. And majority wanted to rejoin Russia. Now Pro-Russians are wanting the same vote all over Ukraine. This gives people the bad image that Russia is "taking over" Ukraine, when it is not. It is the people of Ukraine who are wanting to rejoin Russia, but the government not allowing them to do so.

davidk14: .

Emily,

And the sources for your conclusion that Russia / Putin are no way the aggressors?

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AlisaK: They are aggressors