Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 202)

Zanjan: When people disagree on a matter so much that it can't be settled, they need a mediator. God sends the Perfect Mediator so, the disputing parties should turn to Him for understanding. He is the Tree of Life; the leaves are the souls who've clung to Him. He resolved this issue.

"The Garden" is the heaven of God's Faith, in the spiritual paradise of nearness to God.

It never disappeared and has remained pristine because it has guards at its gates. The "Gates" are its Heralds and will open to those who are willing to walk the straight path. If the guardians detect the slightest hint of impurity, they will bar the prospective visitor.

From the Baha'i Faith:

“At the gate of the garden, some stand and look within, but do not care to enter. Others step inside, behold its beauty, but do not penetrate far. Still others encircle this garden, inhaling the fragrance of the flowers; and having enjoyed its full beauty, pass out again by the same gate. But there are always some who enter, and becoming intoxicated with the splendor of what they behold, remain for life to tend the garden."

- Attributed to Abdu'l-Baha

ghostgeek: Zanjan, you posted something along these lines: "However, as long as the sheep stand in the presence of the Divine Shepherd, they'll be safe." Does that apply to Baha'is in Iran?

ghostgeek: Once the present revolutionary regime seized power, the Shi'ih clergy undertook to rid Iran of every trace of the Baha'i religion. Squads of gunmen descended on Baha'i national headquarters in Tehran and began a careful study of the files and membership lists. At the same time, a virulent campaign of anti-Baha'i propaganda was undertaken in the form of denunciations from pulpits, articles in the press, and graffiti. Baha'is were denounced as "heretics," "enemies- of Islam," "corrupt on earth," and (a charge of breath-taking audacity in view of the source) "collaborators with the Shah's regime." The effect was to unleash waves of attacks on the Baha'is and their property throughout the country. Members of the Faith were beaten up and in several instances killed, many business were confiscated or destroyed, hundreds of houses burned, and efforts made to force believers to recant their Faith.

[ https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/bahais-iran ]

Fractured fairy tale:

The grave of Ahmad Shah Massoud is believed to have been vandalised by Taliban celebrants as footage shows them proudly standing over smashed glass in the mausoleum dedicated to the former military leader.

The vandalism of the tomb came days after the Taliban declared victory over the province of Panjshir, the final area which had remained outside their rule.
Funny how the west Supports all these Groups When It Suits Them ,

Zanjan: Ghost: "Does that apply to Baha'is in Iran?"

Absolutely.
I realize you think you're safe but, from what? You could walk outside your door and get run over by a truck - what an inglorious way to die!

There's no safety except in God. As long as these souls cling to Him, they're incorruptible. None have recanted their faith; no threat or hardship can weaken them. Your article is correct. Despite 175 years of ongoing deadly persecution, the Baha'i Faith is the largest religious minority in Iran; plus, this religion has spread all over the world.

WHlSKY:
“You could walk outside your door and get run over by a truck - what an inglorious way to die!”

I don’t know why that made me grin. Look both ways before exiting your house, Ghost. Death is bad already, to to have an inglorious death is the worse.

ghostgeek: I think it's the dying bit that's bad. After you've gone you either don't exist or subject to whatever unknown fate awaits.

ghostgeek: As for there being no safety except in God, it seems He offers scant protection for true believers. In the Middle Ages, between 1347 and 1351, the Black Death ravaged Europe. What's truly remarkable is that it was the monastic communities in towns that provided the highest incidence of victims.

Zanjan: When people discovered rat cooties had infested the water wells, they were able to end the plague. Like any plague, they survived because they took special precautions to avoid contamination. Nostradamus was one of them. Maybe he saw that coming, eh.

ghostgeek: One thing is certain, people did things differently in the past.

Centuries later, smallpox became the first virus epidemic to be ended by a vaccine. In the late 18th-century, a British doctor named Edward Jenner discovered that milkmaids infected with a milder virus called cowpox seemed immune to smallpox. Jenner famously inoculated his gardener’s 8-year-old son with cowpox and then exposed him to the smallpox virus with no ill effect.

[ https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox ]

Imagine trying that trick with an eight year old today.

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah Today they Use Computer moddeling , Computer moddeling thats always Wrong
Don't Worry they Will turn every one Into Mindless Robots one way or Another

Fractured fairy tale: Blah Blah Blah Riliogon Jesus Christ Is the only one Who Has Concored This World
Just Non stop arguing and figting anout Where Iraq is the temple Blah blah blah
nothing but Pharsises

Fractured fairy tale: Sharia Law Is Rediculas any one who Makes Excuses for it , Should be sent too Saudi Arabia too live

ghostgeek: If people kept religion private then there's no harm done. Unfortunately, those who believe often seem more than just keen to spread their dogma to the four cardinal points of the compass. They foam at the mouth and insist everyone believes as they do.

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah seeing as tho This is about Islam this forum thingy Only have too look back at the history of the Middle East To See that every one were Christians budests Jewish what ever
Then Mohammad came along and Concored most of it By the Sword

ghostgeek: The Jews hated the Christians, and the Christians hated each other, so the Muslims coming along probably seemed a better bet for a lot of people.

Fractured fairy tale: Is that why The UK govenmet train The police officers for Saudi Arabia and The US govenment Ply them With heaps of Weapons and money Even, They know where all the money Goes So the Saudies Can Push there Salifist Wharbieism Jihadi Idolagy thought the World Via Mosques
Especailly in Western Countries
Seems Rather Counter productive Too me

Fractured fairy tale:

Do we have too Watch Undercover Mosqe Again too See The Foly of Doing This
Ive Never Herd of a Church Talk about Killing people or retrebutions twords other Denominats
of Christianity

Fractured fairy tale: The Support and jihadies Too Support The Tellban Flooded In From Packastan , our So called leaders can Make Horrific Mistakes , Whether it Was Worth Empowing a Group During the Cold War Too Thought The Soviet Union , Well I hope it was Worth It

Fractured fairy tale: I suppose Money and support Can"t bye loyatly, But as they Say End justifys the Means

Zanjan: Ghost: "They foam at the mouth and insist everyone believes as they do."

Seems to me that's what Atheists do. They can't hold a conversation about such things or handle different perspectives without going off the deep end. Overall, they forbid others to mention God. It's best they pretend they're not home when the door-knockers come around because they can't resist spitting in their face.

By the way, Muslims make no effort to recruit anyone anywhere. You have to beg them to tell you about their religion; even then, they'd rather not - they'll refer you to a presenter who is always, hands down, way, way better than any Christian presenter.

Zanjan: Fractured, that video gives a false representation of Islam. It's from an eastern militant hate group. Muslims in Western countries have banned them. They wont let them inside their mosques.

Zanjan: "Never Herd of a Church Talk about Killing people"

Um......Ku Klux Klan, Church of the National Knights of Ku Klux Klan;Westburro Baptist church; America's Promised Ministries;The Army of God; Church of the Gospel's Kingdom (Eastern Lightening); the Lords's Resistance Army.......a few more. That doesn't include the suicide cults either.

Zanjan: No gun-totin' religionist is God-oriented.

ghostgeek: Funny you should mention door-knockers, Zanjan, because they used to be a plague but haven't been around in years. Perhaps they got the message that people just weren't interested in talking about God, or maybe some atheists roasted them over an open fire.